I went to my first schH Club meeting tonight. Horrible experience! If you have to hang/choke a dog to make him mind. It's not for me. I marker train he trains pretty compulsive. Back to searching !

Yup.

Sometimes it can take awhile to find the right club.

Did you ask why they were doing the things you objected to?

In protection Jeremy?

Yep...for the out....He had a nice looking male and female. female was great but he couldn't handle the male.

There is 8 members to their club. This guy is the training director, The owner is 77 year old little lady. Very nice, I did not ask. There was 4 people new. Me, my wife, and a mother and 20yr old daughter. All of there for the first time. No one else was there. The 20yr old said before we even started doing anything was that the last trainer she went to used excessive force and she didn't like it. I told him at the start, along with the other couple, that we believe in corrections, but not abuse or hanging/choking, really man handling the dog.

-Trainer said that he had to do that with his male to make him mind. From what I seen that dog was in control the whole time. Besides the fact the guy was a total dick. He is an engineer...i have nothing against engineers, i work with a lot of them. But he is the type of nerdy engineer that cant even carry on a normal conversation. I was wanting to put the collar around his neck and choke on him to see how he liked it, It wasnt just a simple choke. I'm talking minutes at a time. You couldnt ask him questions without him making you feel stupid. The other couple jetted early, They was not happy and made up an excuse to leave. I should of. It was an 1 1/2 drive ...But oh well, I learned nothing besides getting pissed at him...I will try to get a hold of the one in Tulsa again.

- His female dog was a sweetheart.and SCH3
- His male was BH, two tracking titles. 6 yrs old. I think the reason he hasnt got him Sch is because he cant handle him, the dog doesnt respect him, and really, his training was sloppy and the dogs obedience was not good at all. I was very disappointed

The exhaustive out is pretty common practice in Schutzhund.
I wouldn't consider it a form of abuse, by any measure.

You could tell the dog was really hardcore. This dog had crazy drive. I think the dog was too much for him....That male was his first GSD he has owned i was told. The female he never told us if he got it titled or bought it that way. Im assuming bought it. If the male had a good trainer that knew what they were doing, it would be a GREAT dog. But not in his hands. So saying that about his male, he really doesnt have much experience. If he has had the dog 6 years and is the training director then you would think his dog would be well mannered. Maybe I'm wrong but that is just my opinion.

- he was swinging his female in circles, mid air while she was a hold of the grip. She made a couple painful welps during this.

PS i told him i was about to purchase a lot of videos on leerburg and that my dog has learned everything through you guys, He told me that leerburg was crappy and he had some videos that he would let me borrow, He also told me that Ed does not train his dogs the same way as he does in the videos. Now how in the hell does he know this? I just kinda laughted it off. I told him i was doing no corrections with my dog at this point because i thought it was to early to be doing this, since i have been trying to be all positive at this point to try and bring that drive up. He kinda shrugged his shoulders when i said this.

Last thing we was about to leave. I was asking him a question about my new dog, and he interrupted me and said i have to go home and left...lol thought i would share my full experience with you guys. Sorry it was so long, but i had to vent.
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I agree Aaron, but this was a little extreme. Its kinda hard to explain. Ive seen this technique before, but not like this. Everything he did was pretty harsh. But if it works for him then thats fine I guess. But from what i seen , his dog was not respecting him at all. the female did, she was awesome. But the male he was pretty bad with. Maybe this is something i will have to get used to. This is my first one. Personally the guy was a major dick. That is mainly what bothered me and the fact some of the stuff he did with his dogs was not necessary. ....But like i said...some of these things might be common, I went in there not knowing what to expect.

All four of the dog's feet were off the ground while he swung her from her leash?

Edited by Aaron Myracle (07/30/2010 01:00 AM)
Edit reason: Nevermind, missed this part!

 Quote: Jeremy Moore

- he was swinging his female in circles, mid air while she was a hold of the grip. She made a couple painful welps during this.


I'm not any kind of expert but in my opinion this does not sound like appropriate training.

 Quote: Jeremy Moore

He told me that leerburg was crappy and he had some videos that he would let me borrow, He also told me that Ed does not train his dogs the same way as he does in the videos.
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I have not yet bought any of the videos. I also would like to know how he would know this.

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 Quote: Jeremy Moore

... I learned nothing besides getting pissed at him...I will try to get a hold of the one in Tulsa again.

Actually, that's not true! You learned that this trainer/this club is not a good fit for you and your current dog and potential pup. That's like gold, Jeremy.

In an earlier life, I was a recruitment specialist, from both sides of the desk (hiring people for companies, doing retained executive search, and corportate outplacement...teaching people how to find jobs). I used to tell people that it's just as important to discover that a potential job/company isn't a good fit as it is to get a job offer. Most people tend to focus on wanting to get the job offer, and forgetting about the making sure the job fits part.

And, it doesn't really matter why it's not a good fit; if it's not a good fit, it's just not going to work out well in the long run.

The reason I'm going on at length here is to get you to see this as a positive experience rather than as a a waste of time.

This is why we always tell people to check out local clubs and training facilities/trainers...you've gotta find a place that works for you. You're doing just that, which is great.

I hope you have much better luck with the other club. (It can be a very frustrating experience finding good trainers with whom to work!)

leih