hi all.i have been having problems with my basic obedeice training.it was going fine but latly when i get my dog leased and give a correction he will just lay on his side and paw at the lease.i have given him corretions when he does this but he will just lay there.also i know im not corretin him too hard because it was going fine before he started to do this and he has a very high correction tolerance.no matter how hard of a corretion i give he has never made a sound and it dont seem to phase him he would just do the command given.if anyone has had a dog that did this to them and how they fixed the problem i would appreciate any suggestions.thank you

Chris

It sounds like he needs you be more motivated in the training sessions. Maybe even break the OB session up with some fetch and play stiff, thats fun then right back to the OB training, then play.
Grandaully faze out the in between play until the end where he chases the ball or does some tug of war play. This also where you can test his ability to play ecited and calm down quickly.

I'm going by the statement that you made that the do has a high tolarance for pain, and he was doing great until now. In short IMO, that the dog thinks you are boring, well maybe not you but the training sessions are boring. Add Spark with voice flexing (high picth enthusiasm), a ball, treats or his favorite toy. I don't like using treats because it adds a step, to just varible OB.

You have to train away treats, to just the varible and praise. Stick with the play, paraise and OB. Try that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

You say it was going fine but now this is what is happening. There is more to it than this but hard to say with out knowing more. First the dog has felt the need to stop the training because it probably has developed stress somewhere. It would develope stress if your corrections were not timed properly or you were inconsistent wich caused the dog to no longer be sure what is expected. Im assuming the dog knows what is expected because you said it use to do fine. I would back up some in training and re-establish the basics but this time make sure you are consistent and your timing is dead on, also if you are training with corrections you have got to PRAISE your dog and/or REWARD your dog. The dog cannot train with corrections if you dont balance it out with the good stuff. You also have to demonstrate a cheerful attitude when you are training, your dog is a mirror image of you when you train. If you do these things you may very well eliminate your problem. If you go back and establish this and things are going well but the dog occasionally still does this flop thing I would immediately anchor the leash with both hands to your hip and run for a few steps and down shift straight back into a normal walk and PRAISE your dog for being with you. Back up your training some first to make sure that is squared away first though. Remeber also to have a cheerful attitude when training and pay attention to your dog, you CAN NOT train in silence and expect your dog to have a good attitude if you are not actively demonstrating how great it is to be training.

Chris, how old is this dog, just out of curiosity? Dogs do what works for them, so obviously at some point in your work, he 'gave up' and quit on you and you gave in to him in some way that he finds to his advantage or he wouldn't be repeating it. Can you remember what started this behavior in the first place? And how did you react to it?

after the corection and he did the command i always praise as ed does in the video.i will try to add play as for treats i started with just treats and had phaised it out and it was going fine.my dog is 8 months old and picked up the commands very easily.as for what started this it came out of nowhere basically.also he is not a geran sheperd he s a boxer.buthe loves tug of war so iill try to incorparate that to the sessions

Chris

The suggestion that David made to pull the dog up when he flops, (after making it fun and he still does the flop) is a good idea it lets him know that this is not to your advantage as Lee alluded to. Both of these guys are pro trainers.

Sometimes going just by the video you get mechanical, a dog can tell if you are not a good actor that you are just going through the motions.

Boxers can be dominate & stuborn sometimes (all dogs can be), but the make training fun idea may help (tug of war) during.

Now it could be that he is saying (and this why I don't like starting with treats), hey wheres my treats??? No treats, No tricks. You got a silent revolt on your hands, jack him up, then praise him. This just my opinion, I'm not a professional dog trainer.

The jack him up, then praise him. was David's idea. I bet this works, because of what Lee mentioned its to his adavntage right now. I can stop training when ever I want. No treat, No ....

My idea was the revolution. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />