Building Search for PPD? I watched and trained in this procedure, I thought it was pretty impressive but is it needed in Personal protection dog training?

The decoy standing at the front dog of the mobile home, the handler and dog is at the front gate or 15 yards away. The decoy aggitates the dogs and the handler encourages with the watchem, the decoy takes off into the bldg, at a designated time the handler releases the dog. The dog searches the home for the decoy until he finds him in a designated high perch or step ladder the dog is usually barking and jumping up for the decoy. The handler reclaims his dog, the dog gets a bite.

A home search after returning from a long vacation would be one use for this, but its hard to think of anyother use in PPD work.

Is this a practical training session???

We train a building search, we do it more for the fun of training than for any practical reason. . .honestly.

LOL


You could envision a few different scenarios where you might want a dog to clear a residence, but practical isn't the word I'd use to describe the training. (for the average owner of a PPD)

VC,just a thought, but if a dog is trained in PPD, wouldn't it take care of the situation if it were sent into the owners house, even wiithout building search training? I can't imagine Fetz or his sweet little sis alowing anyone in their space without the boss's permission. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Surely, a good dog with the right attitude is going to take care of intruders in the home all on their lonesome. . .no issue there with Emma. LOL


Though, what I want to see for an actual search command is a persistant search of an area with only a verbal prompt.

I've seen Emma alert on people's scent nearly 30 minutes after they had crossed our property and start to follow it. . .but with minimal training she now knows that when given the search command there IS someone hidden and she'll search like crazy for an extended time to find them, or traces of them. . .even if she hasn't gotten a hint of them herself.

Just walking into a home where someone my be hidden, I don't know that dogs are going to alert or start hunting for the odd scent or sound. With some training, they know what to expect and the odd scent takes on a whole new meaning after many training sessions.


The only time I've actually used this is when we had a silent alarm go off in my wherehouse one night while I was working late in my office. There wasn't anything there, it was a malfunction, but being able to give the dog a command to go crazy all over the place looking for trouble can come in handy.


I no longer need to worry about that though, I have a cushy corp job now. LOL But it is still fun to train for.


Working on intrusion problems/senarios (and I strongly suggest that for a PPD) would handle most of those questions, but expanding the scenarios to searching larger areas (as a directed search) is just a hop, skip, and a jump away.


So maybe it is practical, now that I think more about it.

I found that getting a bite at the end of the search really makes them want to find the guy the next time. We discuss this and some people think that just finding the guy and getting his toy or treat is enough. I think that the connection that I get to bite the guy makes them search harder.

Whats your take on this?

I agreed that a dog may not find an guy unless he caught his scent in your house, one of the things about socailizing is that they learn to accept different human scents and items around the house.
The dog needs a command to say hey, find something different in our house is needed. The dog knows its a living being its looking for(could be a Possumm) or human not a inanmate object, like a sued coat.

Don... We always use bites to increase intensity in building searches or if we start to notice that the dog's motivation is starting to lessen.

So have you notice any difference in the intensity of the dog that gets the ball, compared to the dog that gets the bite?

Should you train a no finds, say just a shoe or a shirt and then a decoy, so he gets a bite?

And would a treat/ball be a good reward for just the item found? Or should there be any evidence of the suspect except his scent, in the no find?

Does ANYBODY train a search using a toy reward?

All of us SAR junkies train the building search using a toy reward <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> .
Not PPT, but the dogs search is just as intense as any other given the right working attitude. We train with the police sometimes and our dogs search just as well as theirs in just as high drive.

My dogs obedience work is with food. All of his search work is for a kong on a rope. At this point, I haven't noticed any difference between his drive for the kong (SAR) or his drive for the sleeve (Schutzhund). The only difference between what I do, and the Flinks method is my dog has to look me in the eye even if the food is in full view. He doesn't get his kong unless he is looking at the victim. If he turns to look at me walking up with the reward, I stop walking toward him. Flinks wants the dog to think the kong is always in his shirt. I want my dog to know I have it, but he still has to perform to get it. Ex: Starting cadaver work, I have a tuperware s&p shaker with cadaver scent in my right hand (I'm left handed) His reward in my left. The first little intrest in the scent shaker, and he get the reward, With my arms spread out, he can see both, but doesn't get the reward till he goes to the scent and barks. All motivational. He learned very fast that even with the kong/food in plain sight, he needs to performe to get it. This is a method taught by Grady Jarvis out of Oklahoma.