Results of Xrays- NOW WHAT?
#296368 - 09/14/2010 07:54 AM |
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Our pup Pink has had peculiar lameness since he was small. By 10 wks his gait was odd. Xrays at 5 mos suggested all sorts of trouble.
Went to "top of the line" small animal place near my home for the one year Xrays.
Diagnosis was OCD of shoulder. They were certain. Xrays to University for "confirmation."
Well, the big fellas at the U see perfect elbows, shoulders, hips, stifle, spine.
"Must be soft tissue" is the diagnosis.
How would you people proceed? I'm beginning to comprehend frustration with veterinarians! What would you people do next? My idea is an appointment at the U.
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Re: Results of Xrays- NOW WHAT?
[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#296369 - 09/14/2010 08:08 AM |
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If its a soft tissue problem would physical therapy help? Is he lacking full range of motion? What's off about the gait?
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#296373 - 09/14/2010 08:42 AM |
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I had to look this up because I was unsure of what it was.
I just thought this overview was good at explaining this for all of us who want to learn something:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1569&aid=464
How is OCD treated?
There are currently two ways to treat OCD, conservative medical treatment or surgical removal of the lesion. Conservative treatment may be indicated for dogs that have early mild symptoms of OCD or where a specific lesion cannot be identified on radiographs. Conservative treatment consists of strict rest for 4 to 8 weeks. Leash walking is permitted but no running or playing is allowed. Anti-inflammatories and painkillers such as carprofen (Rimadyl) may be indicated. In addition, the use of glucosamine/chondroitin products has been suggested, yet there are no current studies that confirm their beneficial use in this particular disease. Conservative treatment may be difficult in young, active puppies who may still need to undergo surgery, if the symptoms do not improve.
Surgery is indicated in animals that show severe symptoms, in cases where large lesions are identified on radiographs or when conservative treatments fail. The surgery is very straightforward. The affected joint is opened and the offending flap, defect, or joint mouse is removed. The prognosis is generally good when the shoulder joint is affected. With other joints, degenerative joint disease (osteoarthritis) is more common. When the elbow is affected, the OCD may contribute to the development of other abnormalities in that joint.
How is OCD prevented?
Prevention consists of careful selective breeding that avoids the breeding of animals with a history of OCD. Young large and giant breed dogs should not undergo strenuous activity, particularly jumping activities. Housing on hard concrete surfaces has been linked to increased OCD lesions in pigs and may also contribute to problems in the dog. Providing a good balanced diet that promotes even, sustained growth is also recommended. Talk to your veterinarian about what is best to feed your dog.
I am going to make a suggestion and it may be considered "outside the box" if you will.
I would try giving pink the supplement MSM Betty, I am sure that you know what this is.
I see this as worth a try as it could help make Pink more comfortable if he is in any pain, but more so because it is a natural anti-inflammatory.
Of course this is more a shot in the dark as to whether it will help Pink or not, but certainly worth a try, as I see it.
How this helped me:
Years ago, I had a fall while on roller blades. I injured myself and was diagnosed as having "Costocondritis"
Anyhow, they prescribed many muscle relaxants, lots of ibuprofen and rest, as well as narcotic pain killers.
Well, all of those was not an option for me as I was a self employed hair dresser at the time. I needed to work and couldn't be taking these recommended things.
So, I did my research and started taking MSM. I ended up working up to some pretty high doses, but there were no side effects and it really helped me immensely.
The whole reason I mentioned this(sorry so long) was that it is worth a try to start Pink on some MSM because it would be the best form of natural anti-inflammatory I can thing of, no side effects, and maybe you can gradually get him to a dose where he has no discomfort and you won't have to resort to surgery.
Just my 2 cents FWIW.
Wishing Pink all the best!
Joyce Salazar
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[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#296375 - 09/14/2010 09:22 AM |
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Poor little Pink. At 10 weeks she would have been very young to have symptoms and exposed to Lyme Disease but has anyone checked for it? It is frustrating when it isn't black and white because so many diagnosis are made by the process of elimination.
Have you seen her films? What's your gut instinct on it?
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#296385 - 09/14/2010 11:32 AM |
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I am going to make a suggestion and it may be considered "outside the box" if you will.
I would try giving pink the supplement MSM Betty, I am sure that you know what this is.
I see this as worth a try as it could help make Pink more comfortable if he is in any pain, but more so because it is a natural anti-inflammatory.
Of course this is more a shot in the dark as to whether it will help Pink or not, but certainly worth a try, as I see it.
MSM is a very common supplement in the equine world. Some say it works wonders, but the results are very individual. Certainly wont do any harm though.
And for natural pain management, is Yucca ever used for dogs? I'm fluent in horse supplements, both natural and synthetic, but I'm not as up to date on the puppies!
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#296387 - 09/14/2010 11:44 AM |
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Just what does 'must be soft tissue' mean?
What does that encompass?
Has there been more then one set of xrays done? Different angles, exposures, etc?
To me the 'diagnosis' all sounds more then a little namby pamby to me.
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#296407 - 09/14/2010 02:41 PM |
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Upon looking further on this I also found this when trying to find out more, when searching:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2084&aid=231
Developmental disorders, e.g., hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, osteochondritis dissecans , Legg-Perthes disease
This above link goes over many ideas for conservative treatment for the above mentioned conditions.
I personally would go see the Vet's at the University.
But in this link there are many ideas for supplements and depending on Pink's condition, see if any of these supplements would help as a conservative first approach. Never hurts to be given a chance first. Just what I would consider doing, but of course what ever the recommendations are from the Vet.
Joyce Salazar
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#296408 - 09/14/2010 03:03 PM |
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Just what does 'must be soft tissue' mean?
What does that encompass?
Has there been more then one set of xrays done? Different angles, exposures, etc?
To me the 'diagnosis' all sounds more then a little namby pamby to me.
Soft tissue injuries are to muscles, ligaments, and tendons. I would see the vets at the U, because I'm assuming they'll order and MRI. If they don't order one I'd get one anyways as MRIs can detect STIs and smaller fractures that can't be detected on Xrays. My tibial plateau fx can only be seen on an MRI.
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#296410 - 09/14/2010 03:07 PM |
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Also, have you considered ultrasound therapy? I'm 100% confident it's reduced my healing time and chronic knee pain tremendously.
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[Re: Katie Finlay ]
#296418 - 09/14/2010 04:13 PM |
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Thank you guys so much for your thoughts.
The MSM chondroitin does seem to help. He had a full course of doxycycline (for Lyme/anaplasmosis) awhile ago. He eats raw.
Ultrasound is a great idea, so is more rest. His life is go-go-go-I'm hoping he had some ligament/tendon problem that just hasn't had a chance to heal because of his farm life.
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