I have a cairin terrier and have started crate training on Sunday. When we let him in the house after going potty outside he goes the bathroom within five minutes. Should I not give him any "free" time in the house at all. If so for how long? Thanks.
Stavi
Staci,
I would not give him any unsupvised time in the house at this point. I don't believe there is a majic number on how long this routine should last, it just depends on the dog. You should check out some of Ed's free e-books they may help answer some of you questions.
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I have a cairin terrier and have started crate training on Sunday. When we let him in the house after going potty outside he goes the bathroom within five minutes. Should I not give him any "free" time in the house at all. If so for how long? Thanks.
Stavi
How old?
Do you know about tethering him to you for non-crate time for a while?
(Reggie is certainly right about no really free time yet. He is not ready, and you don't want an unwanted potty habit to start .... it's SO much easier not to let it start than it is to fix it. )
He is 12 weeks old. He has had no inside uncrated unsupervised time. I catch him peeing in the kitchen but it is always in the act. He just pops a squat real quick. Gives us no clues to that is what he is going to do. I have read the ebook and bought the $12 online book on potty training. I plan on trying the tethering but am worried about the spontaneous peeing. He was paper trained at the breeders and I think this might be part of the problem. From what I understand of crate training is to get him to potty outside on a leash. Which he is doing well. He just hasn't figured out that he can't go in the house. It is driving me nuts. I know it has only been 4 days but I feel bad about not letting him roam the house supervised.
Staci: i would probably keep him outside longer after he goes potty and play with him a little. I would keep him tethered to you at all times. And would even carry him outside if need be. Of course i would go hog wild when he does go outside. I used to keep an eye on my pups and if they even sniffed the ground get them outside in a hurry, sometimes carrying them. When they went outside like a good puppy, we get a reward and play. Only 4 days don't loose heart, it takes time. Make sure you clean the area really well where the little guy went, so he can't smell where he went before. (inside the house)
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I know it has only been 4 days but I feel bad about not letting him roam the house supervised.
Staci,
Don't feel bad...all this is groundwork so that he can eventually just hang out with you! He sounds like my Kira...she was a challenge to potty train because she was used to being kenneled and going whenever she wanted. Literally, she didn't understand how to hold it...just simply "I have to go so I will" kind of stuff.
For her, if she wasn't crated, she was tethered to me. It did not take long for her to catch on because I could be more vigilant (though admittedly, she was so quick that she could sometimes sneak a pee even when tethered!). Persistence pays off
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He is 12 weeks old. He has had no inside uncrated unsupervised time. I catch him peeing in the kitchen but it is always in the act. He just pops a squat real quick. Gives us no clues to that is what he is going to do. I have read the ebook and bought the $12 online book on potty training. I plan on trying the tethering but am worried about the spontaneous peeing. He was paper trained at the breeders and I think this might be part of the problem. From what I understand of crate training is to get him to potty outside on a leash. Which he is doing well. He just hasn't figured out that he can't go in the house. It is driving me nuts. I know it has only been 4 days but I feel bad about not letting him roam the house supervised.
He has no need to roam the house unsupervised, and in fact needs to bond with you.
Paper training taught him to go in the house. So he will be harder to unteach than a dog who was not paper trained. In this case, I would definitely tether him to me if I were you. This is how you will learn his body language around potty.
The second he starts to squat you can take him right outside and praise like heck (party down!) when he finishes outside. This mean vigilance, and this kind of vigilance is hugely aided by tethering.
Also, keep him out there long enough for him to use up as much pee as possible.
It will probably help to take him to the same place and let the odor remind him "oh, yeah: potty place, and then praise and treats and partying!"
You will also find that tethering makes it easy to learn his body's schedule around both potty needs.
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