 Loading the marker word
#308566 - 12/23/2010 11:44 AM |
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I am starting to work with setting up Yes as a marker so I can navigate away from the clicker.
I get confused (I'm sure my dogs are too!) when I am loading the marker - am I getting the dogs to look at me? Or just saying the word and giving them a treat? Also - is there any particular technique to giving the treat? Am I supposed to have both my hands behind my back with the treat pouch?
I admit I haven't been totally systematic with my training program. I understand now that I have been training basic commands, so we could move onto other things. Jethro is starting to anticipate Sit and Down in particular situations, so something is going right!
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Re: Loading the marker word
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#308568 - 12/23/2010 11:50 AM |
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You want to vary the method you treat as much as you can. Left hand, right hand, give it to them, throw it on the ground, in the air, behind them, run backwards and treat into you, etc. You have to make it interesting.
Also, you can load the marker however you want. I load the marker by getting the dog to look at me because it helps a lot later on with focus.
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#308571 - 12/23/2010 11:53 AM |
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I am starting to work with setting up Yes as a marker so I can navigate away from the clicker.
I get confused (I'm sure my dogs are too!) when I am loading the marker - am I getting the dogs to look at me? Or just saying the word and giving them a treat?
You are saying the word and treating, at first quite close together. Your entire goal is to associate the word with the reward -- nothing else.
Also - is there any particular technique to giving the treat? Am I supposed to have both my hands behind my back with the treat pouch? Sure. Then you can vary hands. But also don't always have your hands in that position. The treat hand is neutral.
I admit I haven't been totally systematic with my training program. I understand now that I have been training basic commands, so we could move onto other things. Jethro is starting to anticipate Sit and Down in particular situations, so something is going right! Well, if you mean he is offering behaviors (his repertoire  ) in hopes of rewards. If he is anticipating a certain command in certain situations, it's time to change the venue and pattern (not at the same time).
Good questions, and GOOD WORK!
You will know that your marker is loaded when you give it and the dog looks for the treat.
All JMO!
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#308574 - 12/23/2010 11:57 AM |
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Thanks, Katie! Do you write out your training program for a particular dog? I mean, how do you keep yourself organized about what is the next most important thing to work on? Or do you use a more intuitive approach - something is an issue today so we are going to focus on that for our training... Once Sit, Down, and Stay are becoming anticipated, how do you figure out what is the next right thing to do?
It seems to me the training is very important to the dogs because we are interacting, they are learning, and they seem to appreciate the mental stimulation. Not to mention all the learning I am doing to stay one step ahead of them!
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#308576 - 12/23/2010 11:58 AM |
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You want to vary the method you treat as much as you can. Left hand, right hand, give it to them, throw it on the ground, in the air, behind them, run backwards and treat into you, etc. You have to make it interesting.
Also, you can load the marker however you want. I load the marker by getting the dog to look at me because it helps a lot later on with focus.
I don't associate a behavior with loading. It just helps make very clear that the marker = reward coming. But JMO!
Varying the treat-giving comes later .... good points, Katie!!!
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#308577 - 12/23/2010 12:05 PM |
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Thanks, Connie! By anticipation, I mean that Jethro is starting to take it for granted that when we get all leashed up and ready to go, he is going to lay down and wait while I give him the Okay to come through the open door. Or, when we are coming back from our walk, he knows he is going to lay down and wait on a certain spot on the porch while I get the keys out and open the door, and wait for me to give the okay before he comes in the house (instead of going to his favourite lookout on the porch and barking at anything, real or imagined). When we come in from our walk, he now goes and lays on his day bed, knowing I am going to swing by and drop a treat between his legs. Last night, he saw a dog walking across the street and was very interested. Without me saying or doing anything, he sat down and gave it a Watch. Please understand, not long ago this very same situation would have meant I was wrestling a barking, lunging maniac to go This Way.
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#308579 - 12/23/2010 12:09 PM |
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Very true Connie. I think I started doing that because Ed does it with Morgy in the Basic OB video.
Jenny, I don't really have a set training program. I teach the sit and down first, and then go from there. Right now I need to teach Danni the stand. I start with the least complex behaviors and move up from there.
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#308591 - 12/23/2010 01:18 PM |
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And one other point about treat delivery as it pertains to your marker word. Make sure that you are not moving your hand to get/give the treat until a distinct moment after you have given your marker.
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#308601 - 12/23/2010 02:03 PM |
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And one other point about treat delivery as it pertains to your marker word. Make sure that you are not moving your hand to get/give the treat until a distinct moment after you have given your marker.
Good point. NEUTRAL treat hand.
Jenny, even practicing your "draw" in front of a mirror might surprise you with how you telegraph the intention. 
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I have a problem remembering to switch hands. Which means after I say "yes" she looks to my right 
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