Bob Scott wrote 12/31/2010 04:37 PM Michael Ellis Retrieve video #309534 - 12/31/2010 04:37 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I trained my first retrieve probably 50 yrs ago. Effective, yes, pretty ,no. I've also read about, seen and tried many different methods. Many good, many not so good. Michael Ellis's Retrieve DVD is as good as it gets. I've yet to see or hear anyone explain the how and why of each step of ANY training procedures as well and Ellis does. He answered questions I never even thought of asking. There have been a number of discussions with retrieve questions here lately and Michael Ellis answered all of them "plus"! Thanks to LB gift certs for Christmas I've also got the Heeling and the Jumps DVD but from the wife's look at me when I hinted to it, I don't think New Year's eve will be the time to watch them. ps Anyone that wants to see a dog and handler that really enjoy each other and what they do together need look no further then Cindy and Rush in any of these DVDs. If there is a definition of team work in the dictionary it will have a pic of Cindy and Rush. ......and this is not a paid advertisement! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Barbara Schuler wrote 12/31/2010 04:50 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Bob Scott ] #309538 - 12/31/2010 04:50 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Agree 100% - and the fact that it is relevant to someone with your level of experience (Connie says several eon's worth) as well as a neophite like myself - speaks volumes on ME's ability to teach/train. It is absolutely a wonderful video... but all of his are. Rush and Cindy? Poetry in motion.
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Bob Scott wrote 12/31/2010 05:38 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #309549 - 12/31/2010 05:38 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Still learning like anyone else!. Connie kicks her little dogs to make them mind. Mean I tell ya! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Barbara Schuler wrote 12/31/2010 05:39 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Bob Scott ] #309550 - 12/31/2010 05:39 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	So THATS what happened to that poor, scary little pug!!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/31/2010 05:58 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #309555 - 12/31/2010 05:58 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: barbara schuler So THATS what happened to that poor, scary little pug!! Yeah, he's a quivering mass of insecurity. LOL Bob, that retrieve video is indeed just an A++++++++ video. "He answered questions I never even thought of asking." Yup! I toadally agree! And big pictures suddenly form, too, like the connection between the tug and the recall and the retrieve ..... I'm in the middle of the jumps video now, and it too is just great. And I hear the send-away video is close to completion! My collection of these DVDs is precious to me. I go back to the food one pretty regularly, and I will do the same with the retrieve one, too.
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Dennis Jones wrote 12/31/2010 06:37 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #309559 - 12/31/2010 06:37 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	I think teaching the retrieve was the hardest thing I had to do, Erika did not naturaly want to do it, a little compulsion was involved and it's still sloppy for competition. I should of skipped eating for awhile and got the ME vid
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Bob Scott wrote 12/31/2010 08:16 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #309573 - 12/31/2010 08:16 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	A real eye opener for me was the very FIRST step to the retrieve. With most back chaining it starts by physically holding the dog's mouth around the dumbell. With Michael's method he goes back a step further and and marker trains just holding the muzzle. So fricking simple and right in front of our eyes...yet! Dennis, if you only knew how many terriers I literally wrestled to the ground over the retrieve. Talk about not natural retrievers. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Kelly Byrd wrote 01/05/2011 02:23 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Bob Scott ] #310264 - 01/05/2011 02:23 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	I think I'm going to have to stop eating for a bit, like Dennis suggested, and go ahead and get this one. Koenig's retrieve is functional. Thats it. Sloppy, silly, bouncy, big ol' wide circle around the dumbell kind of sloppy. Not pretty, not tight. Generally fast, but thats as many positives I can find!
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Lori Gallo wrote 01/05/2011 03:26 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #310273 - 01/05/2011 03:26 PM
Lori Gallo Webboard User Reg: 07-05-2004 Posts: 186 Loc: Offline	Yes Bob! The first step makes such perfect sense. I love my ME dvd's. I watched, looked at my retired gsd and said "this will be fun"... in a few short sessions had him "bringing" gift bags around the house for Christmas. Too fun, and no chewing...!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/05/2011 03:51 PM Re: Michael Ellis Retrieve video [Re: Lori Gallo ] #310286 - 01/05/2011 03:51 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"I think I'm going to have to stop eating for a bit, like Dennis suggested, and go ahead and get this one. " It really is worth eating rice or something for a week. It's not just a one-viewing DVD at all.
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