Bill Bigsby wrote 09/15/2004 01:36 AM Animal Aggression and Protection Training #26651 - 09/15/2004 01:36 AM
Bill Bigsby Webboard User Reg: 09-10-2004 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	I'm curiouse, is it really important to "correct" animal aggression in order to proceed with Protection Training? I brought mine in for evaluation, and the guy was basically torturing my dog, trying to get him to stop barking at other dogs. Is this something that is really necessary like he told me? http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=763642
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David Wood wrote 09/15/2004 09:09 AM Re: Animal Aggression and Protection Training [Re: Bill Bigsby ] #26652 - 09/15/2004 09:09 AM
David Wood Webboard User Reg: 09-17-2003 Posts: 24 Loc: Atlanta,GA Offline	How old is your dog and can you describe the situation in which the dog is barking at other dogs?
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Bill Bigsby wrote 09/15/2004 09:21 AM Re: Animal Aggression and Protection Training [Re: Bill Bigsby ] #26653 - 09/15/2004 09:21 AM
Bill Bigsby Webboard User Reg: 09-10-2004 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	The dog is 20 months, and and this particular man has a farm, where he trains. He has a very high animal prey drive. He was not only barking at dogs but Horses, ducks, roosters. Sounds crazy right. Is it really necessary to knock out the animal aggrression? Or just go somewhere for training besides a farm. http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=763642
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David Wood wrote 09/17/2004 05:29 PM Re: Animal Aggression and Protection Training [Re: Bill Bigsby ] #26654 - 09/17/2004 05:29 PM
David Wood Webboard User Reg: 09-17-2003 Posts: 24 Loc: Atlanta,GA Offline	I would knock out this behavior because it may pose a problem later. Any behavior that you deem inappropriate I would knock out. Training at the could be a good location later on in his training when you start to work on his distraction part of his training. I has far has the guy torturing your dog just get him to stop barking at other animals during an evaluation, I would question him has a trainer.
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Jenn Kavanaugh wrote 09/17/2004 06:35 PM Re: Animal Aggression and Protection Training [Re: Bill Bigsby ] #26655 - 09/17/2004 06:35 PM
Jenn Kavanaugh Webboard User Reg: 01-05-2004 Posts: 560 Loc: Bushkill, PA Offline	He was barking at everything? And no one could stop it? I thought even protection dogs had to have some level of obedience. Not saying all dogs have to go up to all animals and give them a lick and some love, but to NOT stop barking when continuously told to do so? Isn't that an obedience and lack of leadership/guidance problem? And how is all other levels of socialization going? No problem going out in public with the dog as long as other animals aren't around (I have alot of squirrels and birds in my area, so NO wildlife would be a bit difficult for us)? What was the trainer doing specifically that you considered 'torturing'? I know I have friends that think a prong collar was a creation from the Spanish Inquisition. Intelligent dogs rarely want to please people whom they do not respect --- W.R. Koehler
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Robert VanCamp wrote 09/17/2004 07:55 PM Re: Animal Aggression and Protection Training [Re: Bill Bigsby ] #26656 - 09/17/2004 07:55 PM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	I like to nip it in the bud ASAP. Protection training can progress, but I want to eventually get the dog to a point where he overcomes the distractions of animals or other dogs. (i.e. he ignores them and focuses on the handler) All training done to work on the animal aggression needs to be done at a different location from the protecion work. You don't need distractions for foundation protection work. It isn't a good idea. The lack of control and focus on animals should go thouhg IMO.
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Bill Bigsby wrote 09/17/2004 11:09 PM Re: Animal Aggression and Protection Training [Re: Bill Bigsby ] #26657 - 09/17/2004 11:09 PM
Bill Bigsby Webboard User Reg: 09-10-2004 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	Well I proly shouldn't have said "torture" but that post was kinda 'heat of the moment.' I see now that I would like to ultimately work on his animal aggrression. What the trainer was doing (and making me do) was not 'jerk' but strangle the dog with a nylon collar until he stopped barking, and sat down. I know for a fact that this can kill dogs due to sweating of the lungs. As far as overall 'manners' he is good with people, more protective over my vehicle than my house. And he is reserved around other dogs, similar to his build. He does not get along with small animals, but if someone were to attack him or me, he would let loose, and I have no question about that, squirrel or no squirrel. My goal was to focus this aggression, and have him learn commands in the area of protection, so I would have more control. http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=763642
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