Dana Martin wrote 01/13/2011 03:29 PM Teaching "stay" vs "wait" #311691 - 01/13/2011 03:29 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	I've trained my 18 mos old Mal the command "wait" and he's quite good with it. The problem I'm having now is adding "stay" to his vocabulary and can't seem to find a way to get him to understand what I want. Any suggestions? Thanks! Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Anne Jones wrote 01/13/2011 03:50 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Dana Martin ] #311697 - 01/13/2011 03:50 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	Why a stay command? How are you using the wait command? When you give a command of sit, down, stand etc. the idea is that they remain in that position until released. Why would you need a stay command? I use a wait command for various reasons, but not as any kind of stationary command. Only kinda like a delay of action command. Hope that makes sense. MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Lisa Brazeau wrote 01/13/2011 04:07 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Anne Jones ] #311699 - 01/13/2011 04:07 PM
Lisa Brazeau Webboard User Reg: 05-14-2009 Posts: 196 Loc: Offline	Definitions for my dogs: Wait - Wait there, but something else is going to happen (ie. come to me, move through the door, don't exit the crate until released) Stay - Stay there, in the position I put you, no matter what happens, until I come back to the heel position and give the "heel" command. I never call the dog out of a stay. Only the heel command releases them from the stay. This is the way Laya is trained. I am training Eagle (6mo GSD) according to Anne's rules, though. Check back with me in a year and I'll be able to share more details about the difference. LOL
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Barbara Schuler wrote 01/13/2011 04:08 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Dana Martin ] #311700 - 01/13/2011 04:08 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Like Anne, I didn't teach a "stay" - any command given is expected to be held until "okay!". Do you use marker training? If so, you would just hold off with the "marker" longer and longer - I added a calm "good" to let him know he was doing what I wanted but that he wasn't released until I said "YES". I hope that helps.
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Dana Martin wrote 01/13/2011 04:34 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #311707 - 01/13/2011 04:34 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Thanks for the insight. This was the first time I'd used "wait" as opposed to "stay" and couldn't figure out why you would need both. I agree - any command a dog is given i.e., sit, down, etc...is indeed held until my dog is released. I only tried very few times with "stay" and didn't pursue it until I asked here because it didn't make sense to me, either. I've used slightly different commands in training my Mal than I did with my Rottie. Just a few things like "here" instead of "come" and "wait" instead of "stay". I have to say, I do like the "here" command better. Don't really know why - probably because JD seems to respond better to it. Thanks for the input one and all! Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Lynne Peck wrote 01/13/2011 04:40 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Dana Martin ] #311709 - 01/13/2011 04:40 PM
Lynne Peck Webboard User Reg: 12-21-2010 Posts: 150 Loc: Arizona Offline	I use wait when I get out of the car or go thru a gate and the dogs are allowed to move, walk by the door or the gate but not allowed to exit. Stay means just that - stay in the position I put you in until I release you. JMO
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Dana Martin wrote 01/13/2011 05:03 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Lynne Peck ] #311713 - 01/13/2011 05:03 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Lynne, I use wait for all of that, too, but he knows that he can't move from wherever I've told him to wait in whatever position he's in until I've released him with "okay". BTW - beautiful dog. Have a similar pic of JD. Amazing resemblance. Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Kyle DeSerio wrote 01/13/2011 06:12 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Dana Martin ] #311727 - 01/13/2011 06:12 PM
Kyle DeSerio Webboard User Reg: 10-27-2010 Posts: 125 Loc: Central New Jersey Offline	For me Stay = Stay where you are until I return to Heel and release you, if I didn't give a position command the dog is free to sit down or stand as long as they stay put. Wait = Again no specific position to hold more of an anticipation cue to wait for something, for food bowl, or while I'm filling water bowl, in and out of the car, front door, and crate things like that. Very useful for practicing recalls when your alone. Will call dog out of a wait but not a stay.
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Lynne Peck wrote 01/13/2011 11:03 PM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Dana Martin ] #311762 - 01/13/2011 11:03 PM
Lynne Peck Webboard User Reg: 12-21-2010 Posts: 150 Loc: Arizona Offline	Quote: dana martin Lynne, I use wait for all of that, too, but he knows that he can't move from wherever I've told him to wait in whatever position he's in until I've released him with "okay". BTW - beautiful dog. Have a similar pic of JD. Amazing resemblance. I usually have a whole pack of dogs I'm telling to not go thru a gate, or stay in the truck while it's running but the door is open, I don't care if they're sitting, standing or??? just DON'T go out the gate or out the door or...... Stay means stay, don't move from the place or position I left you in - so guess we all use it differently. The pic of Sam was taken at the Phx Schutzhund Club field practicing a sit stay. How amazing that we both have gorgeous dogs, huh?
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Turk Akbay wrote 01/14/2011 05:35 AM Re: Teaching "stay" vs "wait" [Re: Lynne Peck ] #311772 - 01/14/2011 05:35 AM
Turk Akbay Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2010 Posts: 12 Loc: USA Offline	I agree with the people who don't teach stay. None of our 1000+ dogs trained hear the word "Stay" Once you give the command you the guardian/handler have spoken your desire full stop. In our training we emphasize the "Release" command means "I'm done. Go back to being a dog." "Wait" is a great command for door manners Thanks Turk Akbay http://www.OffLeashDogTraining.com
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