 Joint supplement
#314416 - 02/01/2011 01:24 PM |
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Hi everybody,
I am writing to you because I would need some advices about supplement for joint.
I have 1 year old male Sharpei and we used to walk a lot now (6km twice per day the week and 1*12km + 1*6km per day the week end). To make clear, I gradually increased the amount of exercise according his growth to reach this level now. He looks really good, strong build boy with 63lbs without fat on the rib. However, I would like to prevent or at least reduce any kind of problem on his joints in the future.
Could it be possible to use joint supplement for prevention. If yes, which one I should used. I am a bit lost among all the products existing on the market.
thanks for your advice
sebastien
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Re: Joint supplement
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#314420 - 02/01/2011 01:54 PM |
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1. Isn't HD common in this breed?
2. Are you giving fish oil and E every day? How much?
The GAGS (glycosaminoglycans like hyaluronic acid, heparin, chondroitin, Adequan, etc.) have not demonstrated ability to prevent OA changes in the future. Or at least, not from what I've read.
OTOH, a problem with the GAGs is that by the time OA is diagnosed, damage is often severe. So you might conclude that administering GAGs as soon as the dog comes close to an age where OA might be expected to develop is a good prevention. But I don't know. I don't think so, myself, but I'm not a health professional and can only parrot what I've read. Conclusions range from "Use only if a diagnosis indicating possible benefits from glycosaminoglycans has been made. They will NOT prevent degenerative arthritis" at the well-regarded PetEducation* site (Drs. Foster and Smith) to "These studies both demonstrated a clear benefit for glucosamine treatment. There was not only an improvement in symptoms but also an improvement in joint space narrowing on radiographs. This suggested that glucosamine .... can actually help prevent the destruction of cartilage that is the hallmark of osteoarthritis. On the other hand, several subsequent studies, independent of Rottapharm, but smaller and shorter, did not detect any benefit of glucosamine." at Wikipedia.**
(I'm reading right now about better and earlier OA diagnosis; I think it's close to reality in the MRI world (where imaging will determine the concentraction of GAGs in cartilage).
* http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=0+1303+1472&aid=1423
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucosamine
See footnotes 47 through 50
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#314423 - 02/01/2011 02:17 PM |
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Thank you a lot for your answer. It was helpful.
No HD is not common in the breed so far as I know but I was wondering about the amount of exercise did and their impact on joint.
My dog has a raw diet from meat chicken without cereal (from Karnivor). Inside there are fish oil and E among different other ingredients. I don't know how much it is not written on the bag.
Do you think that a good diet should help to reduce any kind of problem on joints
thanks again
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#314424 - 02/01/2011 02:31 PM |
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No HD is not common in the breed so far as I know
http://www.sharpeinfo.com/shar-pei-health/hip-dysplasia-in-shar-pei/
http://www.thechinesesharpei.com/skeletal-problems-of-chinese-shar-pei
http://www.drjwv.com/testing/pdf/chic.pdf
" For Chinese Shar-Pei, screening procedures have been recommended
against the following health concerns: hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, autoimmune thyroiditis and patellar luxation. "
I'm sure others who are far more familiar with the breed will have better info. It rang in my brain, for some reason, as being an HD-vulnerable breed.
My dog has a raw diet from meat chicken without cereal (from Karnivor). Inside there are fish oil and E among different other ingredients. I don't know how much it is not written on the bag.
Link?
I'm going to say that I am 99.99% certain that there is not even close to enough fish oil in it, but might as well look. 
Do you think that a good diet should help to reduce any kind of problem on joints
Kinda. That is, a non-inflammatory diet is very helpful (back to the fish oil and the species-appropriate foods, like a meat-based diet for canids) and keeping the dog trim is, too.
This is all JMO. I hope that others who are familiar with this breed will see the thread.
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#314426 - 02/01/2011 02:49 PM |
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Yes I will post a bio and picture there...which newbie I am I did not succeed to find this before you sent me the link
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#314431 - 02/01/2011 03:18 PM |
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Well, not only is there no translation available, but I can't even copy and paste from the disappearing-ingredient screen. LOL But what I think is the fish oil is VERY low on the ingredient list. I think it's below Vitamins E and D. That would put it into the BS (or placebo) category, IMHO. But I may be reading it wrong.
Maybe a better bilingual person than I am will help.
Meanwhile, yes, I do think the dog should get both fish oil and E. JMO.
At 63 pounds, I would work up to 6 grams (6000 mg) of fish oil a day, and about 200 to 400 IU of natural Vitamin E (preferably with mixed tocopherols).
Again JMHO.
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I am off to teach, I will check it out after.
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#314453 - 02/01/2011 05:50 PM |
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My vet recommended a supplement called Synovi G3. I used it with my previous dog when he tore a tendon and within 6 weeks he was using his leg normally again, and was up until a month or so before he passed away at 12 1/2 yrs running and jumping. I also feed a premium dog food that has chondroitin/ glucosamine in it.
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