 Not always coming back!
#320613 - 03/06/2011 11:19 PM |
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I've not really trained my girl to retrieve she just sort of does it. I sit her in the heel position throw whatever I want her to retrieve and and most of the time she'll bring it back sometimes a little roundabout route but encouragement gets her back on track and she'll drop it in my hands most of the time with a sit some of the time as well, but she only does this in our little training yard.
My question is can you do retrieves using a long line? or should I work more on recalls and once they're solid just use a recall to get her back in?
If she has space she'll usually lie down with the item and start chewing on it, she also do the same things when I let go of the tug sometimes. Is it time for more/better engagement work? Since she's sort of done most of this herself I want to try and keep it enjoyable for her, never had a dog that would do a proper retrieve before no matter how good they were at everything else!
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Re: Not always coming back!
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#320614 - 03/06/2011 11:22 PM |
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Two different things! 
"Never had a dog that would do a proper retrieve before no matter how good they were at everything else" ..... As Bob Scott on this board says, the retrieve is not taught by tossing the item and hoping for the best.
There are many detailed threads here for both.
How did you teach the recall?
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Re: Not always coming back!
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#320618 - 03/07/2011 12:13 AM |
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You're trying to teach the sit, the wait, the send, the take it, the recall, the sit front and the out all at one time. 
Back chaining, back chaining, back chaining!!!!
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Re: Not always coming back!
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#320621 - 03/07/2011 01:09 AM |
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How did you teach the recall?
Long line and rewards, still needs alot of work!
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Re: Not always coming back!
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#320622 - 03/07/2011 01:11 AM |
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Thanks Bob, really should've looked through this section more first. Keep getting ahead of myself!!
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#320630 - 03/07/2011 07:23 AM |
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To answer your other question, don't let them take the object to the ground and chew on it. This goes for both dumbells and sleeves. If you plan on competing, you'll lose a couple points for a gnawer. Not a lot, but its hard to stop them once they made a habit of chewing up the dumbells. A lot of ball crazy dogs tend to be the worst offenders.
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#320638 - 03/07/2011 09:10 AM |
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You know what, Brad, Bob is so right (this is more than even retrieve and recall!) that you will get way better help if you break up the thread. And definitely break up the commands!
How about if this is the retrieve and you start a new one for the recall?
We'll answer retrieve questions here. Post back if you don't find detailed threads and we'll help you find them, and start a new recall thread.
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Re: Not always coming back!
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#320639 - 03/07/2011 09:15 AM |
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To answer your other question, don't let them take the object to the ground and chew on it.
But start over. This will all fall away when you teach the retrieve right.
Bob is so right: back-chaining*, back-chaining, back-chaining!
* Training the last behavior in a chain first, then the next-to-last behavior, then the one before that, etc.
(Back-chaining uses Premack's principle that more probable behaviors will reinforce less probable behaviors, but that doesn't matter much. What matters is the extreme usefulness and ease of back-chaining any command with more than one "link" to it.)
Edited by Connie Sutherland (03/07/2011 09:20 AM)
Edit reason: asterisk added
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#320655 - 03/07/2011 11:38 AM |
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Each and every behavior of the retrieve (or any obedience exercise)should be taught separately. Once each behavior is understood "completely" then putting them together is a piece of cake!
If someone told you that you need to learn how to juggle.......and then said you have to do it while riding a unicycle....on top a tight rope, all at the same time, what are the odds of becoming good at any of them?!
That's how your trying to train the retrieve.
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Re: Not always coming back!
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#320731 - 03/07/2011 07:24 PM |
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Thanks everyone, never thought about training the retrieve just sort of happened and I jupmed the gun when she kind of had the hang of going out and bringing something back and I forgot all the little bits like not mashing whatever she's bringing back LOL, a tennis ball lasts one go, I've been reading through the other threads in this section so I'm starting on the hold now and I'll work my way back up slowly. Her trainings been jumbled as I started off the old fashioned way (please don't hate me LOL) and then found marker training and should've started all over again but didn't so in the process of fixing things and redoing alot of stuff from the begining.
Thanks again for all the advice it really is invaluable!
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