 Fear Aggression -- Going to the vet.
#321040 - 03/09/2011 09:38 AM |
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My 2 year old does not like people in his space. Within 5 feet or so. He does not like anyone to look at him, talk to him or get close to him. I was thinking about using one of the elec collars for this but now I realize that that is not a good idea.
So Connie gave me lots of tips and most of them are things I am already doing and I will keep working on them. I'm also going to view the tape on aggression by Leerburg.
So I have a new question.
He is getting more aggressive with people at the vet. He already knows them and has been going there for 2 years.
They are to the point that they do not want to take him. So
after taking to them for awhile, they said that they would be welling to try it with a muzzle. He needs to go once a month to have his glands expressed and misc visits. So if I get him to accept the muzzle, would this be an ok thing to do. ?
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#321042 - 03/09/2011 10:00 AM |
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Here's how I would do it. First off I handle my dogs at the vet, not the vet techs who generally (not all of them) don't know anything about dogs. 2nd, muzzle the dog, he sounds like a dog that possibly has some fear issues, YOU hold his head and DON"T let him smack the vet with the muzzle , it hurts like hell. 3rd, pre-plan what procedures you're going to do, walk in, get it over with and back out to the car. Some dogs just aren't good at the vets.
I had a super nervy female for awhile and this is what I did, it worked. But I didn't let her act out at all, I didn't care to make the vets a "nice" place for her, there was no fixing that in her mind so why bother. She learned to go there and leave with no bullcrap lunging or biting ( i can't stand that), if she tried it was a level 10 correction, we were good after 2 visits.
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#321043 - 03/09/2011 10:07 AM |
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I don't have enough experience to offer you real advice. I just wanted to say that getting a dog comfortable in a muzzle is never a bad thing.
One of my dogs was the most docile creature on the planet and he still needed to be muzzled for certain procedures. They are animals, depending on the circumstances they all have the potential to bite. There is no shame in being careful.
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Re: Fear Aggression -- Going to the vet.
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#321044 - 03/09/2011 10:07 AM |
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Good ideas but my vet is against letting me go in back with them. Maybe I can get them to do whatever in the exam room and I can then hang on to his head. Thanks
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#321048 - 03/09/2011 10:54 AM |
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Good ideas but my vet is against letting me go in back with them.
Time for a new vet.
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#321059 - 03/09/2011 11:38 AM |
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Geri-
I work at a vet, and just so you know, they may be hesitant to let you come in the back with your dog because some dogs do better w/o the owner present. Complicated to explain, but your dog may be feeding off some nerves you have, and making the situation worse when you are in the room, if that makes any sense.
If your dog is muzzled, and you are comfortable/experienced holding your own pet (it's more then just holding on to his head!) any decent vet or technician should be willing to express anal glands in the room with you present.
Another option for anal glands- if you're willing, it is something simple to do, that can be done at home with a pair of rubber gloves, and a paper towel (or 5!)
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#321060 - 03/09/2011 12:00 PM |
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Geri, my dog is the same way. I do the same that Al did, and I think it works great.
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#321067 - 03/09/2011 12:34 PM |
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Geri-
I work at a vet, and just so you know, they may be hesitant to let you come in the back with your dog because some dogs do better w/o the owner present. Complicated to explain, but your dog may be feeding off some nerves you have, and making the situation worse when you are in the room, if that makes any sense.
Kelly,
I have one of those dogs. The vet doesn't prevent me from coming back there, though. I have to explain to *them* that I won't go back there. 
I learned this when he was just north of 2 years old, and we were going through some behavioral stuff for which I was ruling out health problems. We were at the vet a lot during the course of a month.
The lesson learned was, if he is "concerned" (as many dogs are when at the vet's office) and I am in the room, the "guard the momma" behavior kicks in. If I'm not in the room, he lets them do whatever needs doing, without incident.
Sure, I could attempt to condition him to not be concerned during a vet exam, but they have a business to run that doesn't include helping me counter-condition my dog.
Tracy
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#321070 - 03/09/2011 12:39 PM |
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Geri-
I work at a vet, and just so you know, they may be hesitant to let you come in the back with your dog because some dogs do better w/o the owner present. Complicated to explain, but your dog may be feeding off some nerves you have, and making the situation worse when you are in the room, if that makes any sense.
Kelly,
I have one of those dogs. The vet doesn't prevent me from coming back there, though. I have to explain to *them* that I won't go back there.
I learned this when he was just north of 2 years old, and we were going through some behavioral stuff for which I was ruling out health problems. We were at the vet a lot during the course of a month.
The lesson learned was, if he is "concerned" (as many dogs are when at the vet's office) and I am in the room, the "guard the momma" behavior kicks in. If I'm not in the room, he lets them do whatever needs doing, without incident.
Sure, I could attempt to condition him to not be concerned during a vet exam, but they have a business to run that doesn't include helping me counter-condition my dog.
Tracy
Tracy GOOD FOR YOU for recognizing that! Yayyyyy!!!! You're the client we love!  Many owners take it as an insult that the dog behaves better w/o them in the room. I can see where it'd be hard to accept, but for some dogs there is just no other way around it.
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#321073 - 03/09/2011 12:43 PM |
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Tracy,
Up till the present, he has been good with the girls in the back of the vet office as long as I was out of the way. Since he turned 2 he has started giving them attitude in the back. I agree that it is not their problem. So I'm willing to try the muzzle thing.
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