Kelly Byrd wrote 03/14/2011 04:28 PM Venting about training... #321877 - 03/14/2011 04:28 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Got into a discussion with a gal thats in my SchH club. She insists her dog is not food motivated, and will not be motivated by tug/ball/prey item. Dog has made virtually 0 progress working with 2 different clubs, and several trainers for at least a year now. Honey, you need to take a step back and re-asses your training style then, if you cannot motivate your dog AT ALL!!! Rawr!! Thats all, I'm done now.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/14/2011 04:47 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #321881 - 03/14/2011 04:47 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Kelly Byrd Got into a discussion with a gal thats in my SchH club. She insists her dog is not food motivated, and will not be motivated by tug/ball/prey item. ... Honey, you need to take a step back and re-asses your training style then, if you cannot motivate your dog AT ALL!!! I'm curious. How did she choose SchH for the dog? (Or how did she choose this dog for SchH?)
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Kelly Byrd wrote 03/14/2011 04:51 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321882 - 03/14/2011 04:51 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	I think she believes that ANY GSD can do SchH. (She'll never trial, that much I'm sure of. Can't even get a CGC on the dog) I believe she got the dog off craigslist, not really sure how she came to SchH work. The dog is a nerve bag, fear biter, dog reactive... just a wreck.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/14/2011 04:52 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #321885 - 03/14/2011 04:52 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Kelly Byrd ... The dog is a nerve bag, fear biter, dog reactive... just a wreck. Sounds like someone should tell her that the dog doesn't belong there ....
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Kelly Byrd wrote 03/14/2011 04:57 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321887 - 03/14/2011 04:57 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Not gonna be me! I tried offering a bit of advice, and very quickly got shot down. I don't think her being at training is harmful to the dog, but it's not helping her get any better. I think the owner knows the dog is not a real candidate for SchH, but is at a loss of what else to do with the dog, if that makes any sense?
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Betty Waldron wrote 03/14/2011 05:11 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #321888 - 03/14/2011 05:11 PM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	Quote: Kelly Byrd I think she believes that ANY GSD can do SchH. (She'll never trial, that much I'm sure of. Can't even get a CGC on the dog) I believe she got the dog off craigslist, not really sure how she came to SchH work. The dog is a nerve bag, fear biter, dog reactive... just a wreck. Just out of curiosity how does she motivate her dog? And your training director is allowing this dog to do bite work? Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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randy allen wrote 03/14/2011 05:27 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #321890 - 03/14/2011 05:27 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	If she's up to date with her dues, a good TD is going to do whatever can be done with what's in front of him/her. Maybe it's time for that discusion between the the TD and handler to take place. Ya know, get everyone on the same page with goals, how to accomplish the same, what can expected, etc (a dog like that for a novice handler could well be a source of education, it doesn't all have to be for the downside).
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Kelly Byrd wrote 03/14/2011 06:10 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: randy allen ] #321899 - 03/14/2011 06:10 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Betty- She does not do a very good job of motivating her dog- that's my issue! Says the dog won't work for toys or food... um..... ok? lol. The TD is also the only helper (small, small club), and he does some tug work with her, but nothing serious. (Got nailed in the calf by the dog in question a few weeks ago when he turned to walk away...) I think the issue is she does not really HAVE any goals Randy! Just comes for something to do, and be active with her dogs. I'm pretty sure this gal will never compete with any dog. In this case, it's not just the dog, it's her as well. It just really irked me when I offered help on getting her prey drive/food drive going and was shot down, rudely.
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randy allen wrote 03/14/2011 06:36 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #321904 - 03/14/2011 06:36 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Something to do and be active with her dogs. Hey! That's a good thing. After all that's what most are there for. It's a reasonable goal in of itself. Don't you think? The TD got a lesson too huh? Was he bitten bad? Time to show the handler how to post up and protect the decoy I'd say (watch the dog even while (trying to) listening to directions). But the decoy should have known better. Stuff like that does happen though, Strider has almost nailed my decoy a couple of times (he doesn't take those liberties with Strider any longer), but no one thought it was that big of a deal......shrug, when one plays with dogs ya know. Don't freeze her out. Keep welcoming her into the club and let her move along at her own pace.
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Betty Waldron wrote 03/14/2011 06:41 PM Re: Venting about training... [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #321907 - 03/14/2011 06:41 PM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	Quote: Kelly Byrd Betty- She does not do a very good job of motivating her dog- that's my issue! Says the dog won't work for toys or food... um..... ok? lol. The TD is also the only helper (small, small club), and he does some tug work with her, but nothing serious. (Got nailed in the calf by the dog in question a few weeks ago when he turned to walk away...) I think the issue is she does not really HAVE any goals Randy! Just comes for something to do, and be active with her dogs. I'm pretty sure this gal will never compete with any dog. In this case, it's not just the dog, it's her as well. It just really irked me when I offered help on getting her prey drive/food drive going and was shot down, rudely. I figured she didn't! I was just wondering what she thought would motivate her do since she discounted food and tugs.... Frustrating when you offer to help someone and they blow you off, isn't it? But at least you tried, with some people that's all you can do. Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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