ok..so here i am again lol

my pup (13 weeks if i remember right) is very much pushing my buttons. I am being patient and calm with all training..but he has this fascination of biting my other family dog (2 year old st. bernard) my St. just lays there and ignors the behavior, or come to me for protection from the pup. EVERY time he goes for my St. I stand between them both (calmly and assertively) snap my finger, and say "No" (which he understands the meaning of) and he will stop, back up, and bark at me. seconds later will return to his bad bahavior. we do this daily. Yesterday I followed through with a higher correction as directed by a video i watch on here. calmly stood between them. said no, he barked and started again and i grabbed him by his cheeks and firmly and CALMLY said NO. set him back down and guess what..he barked at me again waited a few more secs and was back to his maughty buisiness. Now mind you I DO not let my dogs play together, sleep together, eat together, or anything unless i am there making sure my St is ignoring the puppy (which he happily does) and that my pup is not toturing my St. 70% of the time all is well. but every time Ace (my pup) gets a wild hair up his butt he jumps on my St. trys to hump him and bites while growling a high pitch barkish growl. I worry about dominance in the future and want him to grasp the fact that my St. belongs to me..there will be NO dominance behavior shown because I am the pack leader. But at the same time I dont' want to dammage my pup's future in the schz sport. I make sure to do OB and bite work and crate him for a while before letting him out going potty and then when he comes in he has a few mins of what I call family time where he can be in the home in the same room as i am and learn family life behavior. He is great with my daughter never has once mouthed her. He recovered VERY quickly when i corrected him with the grabbing of his cheeck makeing direct eye contact and telling him NO. How much more of a correction can i give this young of a pup?

Instead of (or in addition to) these "corrections" you might try to re-direct some of this energy and attention toward something else.

When the pup wants to play wiht the St. Bernard, do something to make YOURSELF more interesting...get on the floor with a toy or tug and get the pup focused on playing with YOU.

When that's not possilbe, I'd just put him on a leash and tie it around your belt, even in the house. It will also help establish YOU as the center of his world, and not the St. Bernard.

When you can't do that, put him in his crate to chill.

I wouldn't "correct" more than what you're doing now. And you may *think* he knows the meaning of "NO," but I'd say his behavior indicates otherwise---which is to be expected of an infant.

How great that you have an indulgent big dog! Even so, I wouldn't push it. It's not fair for the big guy to get molested by a pesky pup, even if he doesn't seem to care.

LOL @ molested..yes my poor poor Moses is VERY sweet tempered. He knows if somthing bothers him he comes to me first before moving foward. Easiest dog I ever trained! a bit slow for my tast..but VERY wonderful with anytihng and everything...EXCEPT the folks who ive behind us. Turns KuJo with them.
anywho..ty for that advice. i have tryed redirecting him and that works but then he gets even more amped up..I tell ya what..when i watched the high drive puppy video i thought i was ready. BUT I WAS WRONG! He is semi sharp, hard (headed), very prey driven, and is starting to scare me a bit with his telling me off. Not fearful of him now..but of what it could turn into in the future if not delt with correctly.

I don't have much time at the moment but this is a management issue - not a correction issue. Put a drag line on the pup and do not allow him to antagonize your St.Bernard. Get an xpen and keep him separate.

MANAGE the situation. If you are becoming frightened of a 13 week old pup, you might have bitten off more than you can handle.

did you read my posts in full? or just the first part? I'm not affraid of him..just afraid of what it can turn into when he gets older. I always have him in his play pen, crate, or on a leash outside. since he is potty trained, not destructive, and has a wonderful recall i let him have family time now and then. At some point i have to set up boundries (which I have) and then reinfoce my rules. I have seen many videos on this subject on here and just wanted to know of some other ways to work the issue so it does NOT become a bigger problem in the future. I got in over my head when i had my daughter..but just like now with Ace...I don't have an option of escape. only to learn and grow and be the best mommy i can. That's why i'm here..so other puppy momma's can give me a clue as to what i'm doing.
I have seen vidoes of puppies as young as 9 weeks being punished to the same extent of force I used. Leerburg explains levels of correction for different types of pups. I was just wondering to what extent should i take it. The fact is he is being pushy and vocal about my decision to stop him from doing what he wants.

Corrections for a 13 week old puppy?

Do you also spank infant children?

Stephanie, corrections come after management and later after proofed training. JMO!

Also, all he knows about "no" is that it's a random angry word that is often followed with punishment.

Have you tethered him to you? You will be amazed at what this does!

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did you read my posts in full? or just the first part? I'm not affraid of him..just afraid of what it can turn into when he gets older. I always have him in his play pen, crate, or on a leash outside. since he is potty trained, not destructive, and has a wonderful recall i let him have family time now and then. At some point i have to set up boundries (which I have) and then reinfoce my rules. I have seen many videos on this subject on here and just wanted to know of some other ways to work the issue so it does NOT become a bigger problem in the future. I got in over my head when i had my daughter..but just like now with Ace...I don't have an option of escape. only to learn and grow and be the best mommy i can. That's why i'm here..so other puppy momma's can give me a clue as to what i'm doing.
I have seen vidoes of puppies as young as 9 weeks being punished to the same extent of force I used. Leerburg explains levels of correction for different types of pups. I was just wondering to what extent should i take it. The fact is he is being pushy and vocal about my decision to stop him from doing what he wants .

You're Reading Way Too Much into a 13 week old puppy!

Back Up =
Separate from other dog(s);
Focus on Marker Training with Food Rewards;
Patience!

he's a baby; toys, distractions, Luv!

lol ok got it..i tend to over analize ty

today is the begining of tethering. i'll let you know next week how that's going! ty again