Sarah Pope wrote 04/07/2011 07:59 PM Prong Collar Help #326159 - 04/07/2011 07:59 PM
Sarah Pope Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2011 Posts: 20 Loc: Michigan USA Offline	I have read the article on how to fit a prong collar properly and the Q&A for prong collars but am still at a loss...I have a Standard Poodle with a 16 inch neck. I have the medium 3.0mm prong collar and for it to properly fit Tucker I need to take 5 prongs out which will leave 5 prongs in, is this OK? On the articles it says not to take more than 4 prongs out or the collar will not work properly. Should I get the small prong and add links? I worry about the collar not being strong enough to hold my bundle of energy when he sees people, but with the dominant dog collar would it be OK? The dog trainers in my area do not approve of training with prong collars and will not even attempt to show people how to use them properly, so I am not sure who to ask about this problem. Thanks for all the Help! Sarah
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Aaron Myracle wrote 04/07/2011 08:12 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Sarah Pope ] #326163 - 04/07/2011 08:12 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Smaller prong + add links. If you're using a back-up collar, you don't have to worry about it coming apart.
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Barbara Schuler wrote 04/07/2011 08:15 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Sarah Pope ] #326164 - 04/07/2011 08:15 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	It sounds like going down one size in the prong collar would be a good idea, and it is always wise to have a back up such as the dd or another slip collar on anytime you use the prong. No, you won't find much support from many folks on using the prong, but as long as you know it won't hurt your dog and you never misuse it, let that roll off your back. There are covers for them which make them look a bit more like a regular collar if that would make YOU feel any better. How old is your standard? I used to have a black standard named Boston... smartest dog I've ever owned!
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randy allen wrote 04/07/2011 08:16 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #326165 - 04/07/2011 08:16 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Well using a pinch collar properly is all together a whole other question. So the problem is meeting people?
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 04/07/2011 08:16 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Sarah Pope ] #326166 - 04/07/2011 08:16 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	Any prong, even the small one, could come undone and using a backup is always a good idea. You might want to try small/mini prongs at the store to see if it sinks into Poodle's hair. If it doesn't it would be a better training tool than a medium one. It's better to start with the smallest prong size possible if you want to keep the dog's neck sensitive so that you could apply the least amount of pressure in training.
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Kelly Byrd wrote 04/07/2011 08:30 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Sarah Pope ] #326167 - 04/07/2011 08:30 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Quote: Sarah Pope I worry about the collar not being strong enough to hold my bundle of energy when he sees people, but with the dominant dog collar would it be OK? The dog trainers in my area do not approve of training with prong collars I trust a small (2.25mm) prong collar on my 85lb thrashing, young Dutch Shepherd. They are strong, but always use a back up collar. (I've never had mine come apart, but just in case, you want a back up there) Also, as others have mentioned, you can find prong collar covers. http://www.allk-9.com/prong-collar-cover-p-560.html
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 04/07/2011 08:53 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #326170 - 04/07/2011 08:53 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	One thing to keep in mind if you start using the small prong collar with links added is that the correction will be significantly stronger, and for some dogs it can be overstimulating. Nothing wrong with using the small, but it definitely takes a little bit of getting used to. I agree with everyone else that it will be strong enough, but it does feel less stable if the dog lunges. I wouldnt worry about it. I have yet to have a prong come apart, and thats what back up collars are for, anyway.
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 04/07/2011 09:23 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #326180 - 04/07/2011 09:23 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	Quote: Lauren Jeffery One thing to keep in mind if you start using the small prong collar with links added is that the correction will be significantly stronger, and for some dogs it can be overstimulating. When the dog is properly conditioned to the prong the process does not start with corrections. There is a chapter in Focused Heeling DVD that deals with leash pressure. The idea is to use marker training to teach the dog about the new training tool and only implement this tool in the regular training once the dog understands it.
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 04/07/2011 10:27 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Ana Kozlowsky ] #326200 - 04/07/2011 10:27 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	So if you were to introduce a small prong to a dog who has already been trained with a prong would you go back and recondition the dog as if it has never been trained before? I just wanted to let the OP know about the difference in the correction when you change sizes. Nobody told me, and the first time I corrected my dog with a smaller prong, she screamed. Shes a pretty tough one, too.
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 04/07/2011 10:35 PM Re: Prong Collar Help [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #326203 - 04/07/2011 10:35 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	Quote: Lauren Jeffery ...the first time I corrected my dog with a smaller prong, she screamed. Shes a pretty tough one, too. That's the point. Ideally you shouldn't be using all of your strength to give a correction. A light pop on the prong, especially outside of protection work, should be enough. If the prong has already been used in a certain way it might be harder to recondition the dog but the sensitivity could often be increased.
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