Kim Condon wrote 04/20/2011 10:03 AM heeling #328597 - 04/20/2011 10:03 AM
Kim Condon Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2007 Posts: 47 Loc: North Carolina Offline	So, I kind of have a question, but mostly I'm bragging because I'm so excited. When I walk my dogs we usually walk around the pastures with the puppy on a long line. I don't really have a use for a formal heel--what I want is a loose leash walk when she has a leash on. While on the long line I started rewarding for good postition--and I accidentally got a perfect formal heel. How do I get a casual loose leash walk now that she keeps offering this formal heel? She will continue to do it for half a mile if I reward every once in a while (sometimes she gets distracted, but it's easy to get it back). Is it cheating when you have a dog that practically trains herself?
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Amy VandeWeerd wrote 04/20/2011 10:07 AM Re: heeling [Re: Kim Condon ] #328599 - 04/20/2011 10:07 AM
Amy VandeWeerd Webboard User Reg: 03-14-2011 Posts: 723 Loc: South Dakota Offline	How lucky you are!
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Kelly Byrd wrote 04/20/2011 10:12 AM Re: heeling [Re: Kim Condon ] #328601 - 04/20/2011 10:12 AM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Quote: Kim Condon Is it cheating when you have a dog that practically trains herself? Totally cheating! Most of us work long and hard for those nicely focused formal heels!!!! :P You're lucky!
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Tim Richards wrote 04/22/2011 11:48 AM Re: heeling [Re: Kim Condon ] #328960 - 04/22/2011 11:48 AM
Tim Richards Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2011 Posts: 22 Loc: terry montana Offline	I am a newby to LB and to marker training and I had/have the same issue with my 8mnth GSD. If I offer treats always with a mark I can get a pretty good heel for quite a distance with low level distractions. Not a Michael Ellis heel but pretty good. It's either that or draggin me down the road. I watched basic OB by Ed and he uses a "slow" command with a couple of quick leash corrections. I have been doing this for about a week and both my pups are starting to respond to the command which I mark. Again only with low level distractions at this point. This is the only command I use since I am still working on engaement with food. Congrats on your success I hope this helps.
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Ramachandran Subramanian wrote 04/22/2011 11:55 AM Re: heeling [Re: Tim Richards ] #328962 - 04/22/2011 11:55 AM
Ramachandran Subramanian Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2004 Posts: 809 Loc: Chennai, India Offline	You should also train a "You are free" with marker. So the dog thinks not heeling and doing doggy things is also a behaviour that may get rewarded.
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Ingrid Rosenquist wrote 04/22/2011 05:55 PM Re: heeling [Re: Ramachandran Subramanian ] #329009 - 04/22/2011 05:55 PM
Ingrid Rosenquist Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2005 Posts: 1132 Loc: Offline	I use different commands. Let's Go is the informal heeling command. I use fuss for formal heeling. My young girl is similar to your dog in the sense that she defaults to heel position and focusing on my face even when I do not request it of her. http://www.psychtkennel.com
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Kim Condon wrote 04/23/2011 11:46 AM Re: heeling [Re: Ingrid Rosenquist ] #329065 - 04/23/2011 11:46 AM
Kim Condon Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2007 Posts: 47 Loc: North Carolina Offline	Yes, I'd like to train a less formal command like "let's go" but I'm a little stuck on how to get it. If I have this great heel do I just ignore it and keep walking and when she finally looks away and trots along casually reward that?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/23/2011 12:17 PM Re: heeling [Re: Kim Condon ] #329066 - 04/23/2011 12:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: kim condon Yes, I'd like to train a less formal command like "let's go" but I'm a little stuck on how to get it. If I have this great heel do I just ignore it and keep walking and when she finally looks away and trots along casually reward that? I'm thinking not exactly that (in the middle of the heel) because then you change that behavior instead of adding a new one, if I'm reading it right. Does the dog trot along casually off-line in the yard? That could maybe be the behavior that you m/r and eventually call "let's go" or whatever you want it to be. Or is there another time when the dog just does the behavior that you want to be "let's go," that you can capture and m/r?
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Kim Condon wrote 04/23/2011 12:32 PM Re: heeling [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #329067 - 04/23/2011 12:32 PM
Kim Condon Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2007 Posts: 47 Loc: North Carolina Offline	I guess I'll have to play with it a little and see what happens. Now, if she is walking near me and I even give verbal praise she will just snap into the heel. I was going to just let her get 'sloppy' with the heel, but now I've found it's very convenient to ask for when she is about to get into something (we have lots of horse poop around). Then she will just walk on by looking at me.
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