Melissa Hoyer wrote 04/21/2011 08:15 PM Experience with High Ph? #328854 - 04/21/2011 08:15 PM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	Hi all, Does anyone have experience with a dog who has high urine Ph? I had been suspecting this was an issue with Grace. I bought some test strips and sure enough, as soon as the urine hit the tab it turned the deepest green, meaning her Ph is 8.0 or above. From what I read, 7 is neutral. Some quick history on her: GSD, 9 years old, spayed, history of digestive problems, diagnosed with mild EPI at age 4, recurring SIBO, prone to sebaceous cysts, problems with vaginal fold irritation (wondering if connection to high Ph?), digestive issues controlled with raw diet and supplements, no sign or urinary tract issues (no UTIs, etc) So this is a learning game for me, as all things with Grace have been Hoping to get to the bottom of this quick as I am sick of my intact male being overly interested in her, though we are making progress with his training. And of course, I want her to be as healthy as possible! If anyone has any ideas, comments, knowledge I would love to hear it. Thanks!
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Joyce Salazar wrote 04/21/2011 08:40 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #328860 - 04/21/2011 08:40 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/bladder-stones-crystals/ I know that Grace has not yet presented with struvite crystals or a UTI, but this is interesting to read as it does have something to do with PH in urine. But I also found this off the EHow site: http://www.ehow.com/about_5367142_ph-levels-dogs.html  Quote: Urine pH Higher Than 7.0 * Anything above the 7.0 neutral pH indicates alkaline urine. If a dog is fed a diet high in carbohydrates (many grains), it may have an alkaline pH. Some medications may also cause the urine pH to become alkaline. If a dog has consistent alkaline urine, it may have a urinary tract infection. Some types of bacteria that cause urinary tract infections and kidney infections also produce an enzyme that turns the urine alkaline. Maybe you have already seen these sites, but in case you have not, it might be helpful. Joyce Salazar
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Melissa Hoyer wrote 04/21/2011 08:42 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #328861 - 04/21/2011 08:42 PM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	Thank you, Joyce! I was just on the b-naturals site, but hadn't seen the other one. Also reading a bit about apple cider vinegar and how it balances... Trying to gather knowledge and info before we head to the vet. I like to know what to ask
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Joyce Salazar wrote 04/21/2011 08:46 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #328862 - 04/21/2011 08:46 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	I know that Lew Olson really knows her stuff about urinary issues and I would trust her knowledge as well as advice she would have regarding this. I wonder too about urine PH, and how a raw diet factors in to that? I am very interested in what you find out Melissa, please let us know with updates and what your vet says. I really love learning about canine health issues. ETA; interesting about apple cider vinegar, you peaked my curiosity! Joyce Salazar
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Joyce Salazar wrote 04/21/2011 08:53 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #328863 - 04/21/2011 08:53 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/bladder-stones-crystals/ From the above link, this seems to be an important piece of info:  Quote: Struvites are almost always accompanied by bacteria that create a high alkaline pH. Always have the dog’s urine cultured for bacteria, even if none are apparent in a microscope upon microscopic inspection. But also this too:  Quote: Not all bacteria will show on inspection, but a culture will reveal if any bacteria is present. Knowing which bacteria are present allows the veterinarian to prescribe the proper antibiotic to eliminate infection. It is also noted that many dogs can have struvites present in the urine and high urinary pH with no ill effects, so if a routine urinalysis shows a pH of 8.0 and a few struvite crystals, but your dog has no symptoms of any kind, there is no need to be concerned. Joyce Salazar
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/21/2011 09:03 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #328865 - 04/21/2011 09:03 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Melissa Hoyer Also reading a bit about apple cider vinegar and how it balances... Can you link me to this? To my knowledge, ACV does not reduce pH.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/21/2011 09:08 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #328869 - 04/21/2011 09:08 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I would want the urine cultured (not just urinalysis). Also want to ditto the Lew Olson votes: She really knows her stuff on UTIs, crystals, and particularly this: "Because bladder infections lead to high alkaline urinary pH and struvite crystals, many people, including many vets, make the mistake of treating the problem by acidifying the diet. But that is confusing cause and effect. Alkaline pH and struvite crystals are not caused by a diet of alkaline foods; they are usually caused by bladder infections." She was the first person who provided me with this info, and since then I have seen just how many people (vets included) have this pretty much backwards. But vet manuals back her up, as do other authoritative sources; it's bizarre how the pH mis-info is so pervasive. It's almost like "Itchy dog? Must be food allergy. Here's a special diet." More info: http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/utis/ http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/13_4/features/Detecting-Urinary-Stones-Dogs_16215-1.html http://dogaware.com/articles/wdjstruvites.html
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Joyce Salazar wrote 04/21/2011 09:16 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #328876 - 04/21/2011 09:16 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Thanks for the new links Connie! All fantastic info! Joyce Salazar
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/21/2011 09:21 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #328877 - 04/21/2011 09:21 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	More Mary Straus: http://onibasu.com/archives/kn/156432.html
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Kelly Byrd wrote 04/21/2011 09:36 PM Re: Experience with High Ph? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #328878 - 04/21/2011 09:36 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Melissa- I'm sure you've tried this (or currently do it) but with the vaginal fold irritation- do you keep the hair around the vulva clipped short?
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