WE TOOK AMANADA FOR 4 DAYS, TO SEE IF SHE SHOULD BE SOLD AS A JUNK YARD DOG. NO.
I SOLD HER FOR THE TRAINER TO MY PLUMBER AND SHE RAN AWAY, THEY BROUGHT HER BACK, SHE WAS SOLD AGAIN SAME THING, DECIDED TO KEEP HER, ONLY HOME SHE DID NOT RUNA FROM.
HER ORIGINAL OWNER HAD HER FOR 1 YEAR AND 4 MONTHS; THEY HAD A MALE SHEPHERD ALSO, NEVER BONDED WITH HER AND GAVE HER BACK TO THE TRAINER. TRANIER SOLD HER 3 TIMES AND SHE WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK, RUNNING AWAY AND ONCE SHE CORNED SOME GRAND CHILDREN.

WHEN I FRIST GOT AMANADA SHE WOULD WAIT TO BE INVITED INTO THE HOUSE AND GO DIRECTLY INTO THE KENNEL. THEN SHE LEARNED FROM TOBY,(ROTTIE), SHE DID NOT HAVE TO. WHEN WE COME HOME NOW SHE GOES INTO HER KENNEL THEN WILL GEET US. IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND IN CONVERSTION, YOU WOULD GET THE MOST BLOOD CURRTELING CRY THAT WOULD GO UP YOUR SPINE AND SHE’D RUN FOR THE KENNEL, AS TIME WENT ON SHE WOULD CRY AND STAND THERE, NOW SHE DOES NOT CRY. WHEN TOBY GOT IN TROUBLE, IN HER MIND, SHE WOULD RUN TO THE KENNEL AND SHAKE. TOBY WOULD LOOK AT HER LIKE WHATS UP? ONE TIME I POPPED, LIKE A LOVE TAP, TOBY ON THE BUTT, AND SHE LOOKED AT ME LIKE TO SAY THAT’S IT? SHE DID NOT UNDERSTAND PLAY OR AFFECTION; SHE ONLY COULD PLAY ONE ON ONE WITH TOBY. SHE TRIES TO PLAY WITH US AND GETS VERY EXCITED AND ENJOYS IT, BUT STILL NOT SURE WHAT SHE IS DOING, BUT LOVES DOING IT.

WHEN I WOULD WORK BOTH OF THEM, IF SHE DID THE EXCERISE WRONG, AND SHE KNEW IT SHE WOULD RUN INTO THE KENNEL IN THE HOUSE AND HIDE.
I RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF MY HOME AND HAVE WORKMEN IN AND OUT, TENANTS PAYING THE RENT, APPLICANTS, AND 20 KIDS JUST IN THE BACK OF OUR CUL DE SAC.

I TOOK BOTH TOBY AND AMANDA TO SOCCER GAMES AND SOFTBALL WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE MILLING AROUND AND NEVER A PROBLEM. SHE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO COME UP AND PET HER. SHE HAS BEEN SO STABLE I WAS CONSIDERING PET THERPY.

SHE HAS NEVER SHOWN ANY AGGRESSION. WHEN I HAD TILE WORKERS HERE RETILING THE DOWNSTAIRS. I PUT HER AND TOBY IN A RUN WITH A FENCE ABOUT 4FT HIGH. SHE STAYED IN THERE ABOUT 4 HOURS THEN CLEARED IT. SHE WOULD STAY IN THE BACK YARD AS THEY CUT THE TILE AND WERE IN AND OUT AND WATCH WHAT THEY WERE DOING. SINCE SHE STAYED OUT OF THE WAY AND WAS NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM OR CONCERN, I LET HER BE. SOMETIMES SHE WOULD LOOK OVER THIER SHOULDER AS TO ASK WHAT ARE YOU DOING.
THE FIRST TIME SHE SHOWED ANY PROBLEM WAS WHEN A 17 YEAR OLD NEIGHBOR (WHO IS IN AND OUT LIKE SHE LIVES HERE, OPENS DOOR AND WALKS IN, AND HERE ALL THE TIME.) WE WERE NOT HOME AND SHE CAME OVER TO BORROW A CURLING IRON. I GUESS AMANDA FIGURED OUT WHERE SHE LIVED (2 DOORS DOWN AND ACROSS) SHE CHASED HER HOME THEN CAME BACK HOME AND INTO THE HOUSE. DIEDRE THEN SENT THE 6 YEAR OLD SISTER TO SHUT OUR DOOR, AND CALLED US ON THE CELL. AMANDA (MY 17 YEAR OLD) HAS ANOTHER FRIEND THAT WAS NOT AROUND A LOT IN THE BEGINNING, SHE WAS WORKING. AND WHEN SHE WOULD COME OVER AMANDA WOULD BARK AT HER, THE FIRST TIME SHE CAME IN, I WAS UPSTAIRS WORKING AND AMANDA WAS LYING AT THE TOP OF THE STARIS, CAUGHT HER OFF GARD. SO SHE REMEMBERED HER AND EVERY TIME SHE WOULD COME OVER SHE WOULD TREE HER ON OUR BACK PATIO FURNITURE, (WE HAVE HAD A RULE IN OUR HOUSE SINCE THE KIDS WERE LITTLE, IF THE GARAGE DOOR IS OPEN COME IN THRU THE GARAGE AND WALKIN, IF NOT, DO NOT COME OVER.). AMANDA HOLDS A GRUDGE. SHE NOW DOES FINE WITH HER, TOOK SOME TIME.
I HAVE A GRIL FRIEND AMANDA LOVES, THAT SHE WOULD INTIMDATE TOBY SO SHE COULD BE THE ONLY ONE RECEIVING WHAT EVER SHE BROUGHT, BALL, COOKIES, AFFECTION, ETC. SHE PUSHES TOBY AROUND, I WILL NOT LET HER, SO WHEN I AM AROUND SHE IS CARFULL ABOUT INTIMADATING HIM.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF CLIENTS WHO WEAR 3 PIECE SUITS WITH HEAVY COLOGNE, ONE CAME TO PAY THE RENT AND AMANDA RAN UPSTAIRS AND HIDE UNDER MY DESK AND SHOOK SO BAD. THE NEXT ONE THAT CAME OVER SHE RAN UPSTAIRS AND LAYED DOWN IN THE HALL, AND STILL DOES THAT.
I TOOK AMADANA AND TOBY TO THE PARK BY OUR HOUSE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE USE IT AS A DOG PARK EVERY NIGHT. I LET TOBY OFF LEAD AND KEPT AMANDA WITH ME ON A LEAD, SHE WAS DOING FINE SO LET HER GO STILL ON THE LEAD. SHE DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THE DOGS BUT SHE WATCHED TOBY AND RAN WITH THE PACK. WE KEPT TAKING HER AND SHE WOULD DO OK, SOMETIMES SHE WOULD GIVE SMALL NIPS, SHE WILL USE HER FRONT TEETH LIKE A LOVE BITE) TO A DOGS BUT, I THINK THIS WAS IN PLAY BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT SURE WHAT TO DO. NONE OF THE DOGS TOOK OFFENCE SO I JUST WATCHED HER CLOSE.
WE HAVE A BLACK LAB IN THE BACK OF THE CUL DE SAC AND WHEN I INTRODUCED AMANADA AND ZENA THE 6 YEAR OLD THAT LIVES WITH ZENA GOT IN BETWEEN THEM SO INSTEAD OF GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER ZENA STARTING TO GROWL AT AMANDA, I TOLD ZENA’S OWNER TO TAKE Z HOME, THIS WOULD NOT WORK. THEN THE NEXT TIME I HAD AMANDA AND TOBY ON A DOWN IN THE FRONT YARD AND Z CAME OVER TO THE SIDEWALK AND GROWLED AT AMANADA, I WAS ABLE TO VERBAL CONTROL AMANADA, NEXT TIME Z GOT CLOSER AND GROWLED I HAD TO RESTRAIN AMANDA BY LEAD. THE NEXT TIME Z CAME OUT OF NOWHERE AND AMANDA JUMPED UP AND INTO THE STREET AND THE FIGHT BEGAN. AMANDA BITE HER ON HER BACK TOWARDS THE BUT AND NOW Z STAYS AWAY FROM OUR YARD, AND I HAVE TO WATCH WHEN I TAKE AMANDA OUTSIDE, BECAUSE THEY ARE ITCHING FOR EACH OTHER. MY NEIGHBORS LET Z WANDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PLUS SHE IS AN ESCAPE ARTIST. WHEN THEY FIRST ADOPTED HER SHE HAD A SEPERATION PROBLEM. SO SHE WOULD GET OUT AND COME TO OUR HOUSE AND THROW HER SELF AGAINST OUR DOOR AND WE WOULD LET HER IN SHE WOULD PLAY WITH TOBY, THEN WHEN SHE HEARD THEIR CAR COME HOME SHE WOULD THROW HERSELF AGAINST THE DOOR TO GO HOME.

THIS CAMPING TRIP AMANDA CAME ACROSS 3 BLACK LABS AND ALL 3 TIMES WAS AGGRESSIVE.
I HAVE A NEIGHBOR, (SAME NEIGHBOR WHO OWNS Z, AND DIEDRE LIVES IN THE HOUSE ALSO, SOMETIMES AMANDA WILL GET SNOTTY WITH DIEDRE AND IT IS BECAUSE I THINK SHE SMELLS Z ON HER.) THAT TO AMANDA IS A STRANGER SHE CAME IN THE GARAGE DOOR AND AMANDA BITE HER. THIS WAS 11/18/01.

TOBY WAS ILL AND COULD NOT GO CAMPING WITH US. AMANDA WAS ALONE WITH US FOR THE FIRST TIME. WHEN WE FIRST GOT THERE 2 BOYS (24 AND 14) STARTED TO RESTLE AND ONE WAS PUSHED AND RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME TOWARDS ME AND AMANADA, SHE BARKED AND JUMPED UP AND BITE, LUCKLY HIS PANTS WERE BAGGY AND SHE ONLY CAUGHT THE PANTS. THE NEXT TIME SAME SITUATION WITH 2 BOYS 8 AND 10, THIER MOM SAID STOP AROUND THE DOG ABOUT THE TIME SHE GOT THAT OUT SHE BITE, THANK GOD FOR BAGGY PANTS, I WAS NOT THERE, MY KIDS HAD HER. FOR THE FIRST DAY SHE WOULD LET EVERYONE COME UP AND PET HER, THE NEXT MORNING SHE WOULD PICK CERTAIN PEOPLE AND GROWL WHEN THEY WOULD APPROACH. THEN SHE WAS LYING DOWN AND A 20 YEAR OLD GIRL LEANED OVER HER WITH HER HAND OUT TO PET HER AND SHE BITE HER IN THE STOMACH. AT THAT POINT I PURCHASED A MUZZLE FOR WHEN I TOOK HER OUT OF THE CAMPER. SHE WAS LAYING DOWN IN THE CAMPER AND I WAS SITTING NEXT TO HER AND DIEDRE WAS STANDING NEXT TO ME AND AMADNDA (MY DAUGHTER 17) THEY BEGAN TO PHYSICAL TEASE EACH OTHER AND AMANDA JUMPED UP AND GAVE HER A SNIP.
IT SEEMS IF SHE KNOWS YOU SHE WILL GIVE YOU A SNIP, IF NOT A BITE, SHE HAS NOT USED HER EYE TEETH, BUT SHE IS MAKING THE BITE BLEED INSIDE THE SKIN.

AMANDA ALSO HAS A VERY GENTLE NATURE TO HER; WE HAVE A SMALL PARROT, LES JARDINES, KNOW ONE CAN GET NEAR THAT BIRD BUT MY 14 YEAR OLD. AND THAT BIRD WOULD NOT GET NEAR TOBY, PREFERABLEY NOT EVEN IN THE SAME ROOM. AMANDA GOES INTO MY DAUGHTERS ROOM A COUPLE TIMES A DAY AND SITS IN THERE WITH HIM. WHEN THE BIRD WAS DOWN STAIRS ON HIS PERCH, HE JUMPED DOWN AND AMANDA LET THE BIRD COME TO HER CLOSE ENOUGH THAT THEY EXCHANGED KISSES. WHAT A SIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

I TOOK A LOT OF TIME WITH HER SHE NOW UNDERSTANDS HUGS AND KISSES AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN TELL SHE WANTS TO LOVE SO HARD SHE WANTS TO JUMP INSIDE OF YOU.

I AM CONCEREND WITH TOBY BEING GONE, SHE TOOK A LOT OF HER CUES FROM HIM, AND SHE LOVED HIM EVEN THOUGH SHE LIKE TO BOSS HIM.

ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS I HAVE A SET OF AUTISTIC TWINS WHO LIVE NEXT DOOR. IN THE BEGINNIG WHEN THEY PEAKED OVER THE BLOCK WALL FENCE AND YELL AT US, AMANDA IGNORED THEM. RECENTLY SHE IS BARKING AND BEGINING TO JUMP AT THE FENCE. I NEED TO HANDLE THIS BEFORE A PROBLEM.

AMANDA, NOW THAT TOBY IS GONE, IS NOW REVERTING BACK WHEN YOU TRY AND WORK HER SHE RUNS TO THE KENNEL. I WILL STEP BACK AND BEGIN WORKING HER ON A LEAD AGAIN.

SHE HAS ONE BAD HABIT, IF A CAR WINDOW IS OPEN, DOES NOT MATTER WHOS, SHE WILL CLIMB THE CAR TO GET IN THE WINDOW. SHE HAS SCRATCHED THE PAINT WITH HER NAILS. I HAVE TAUGHT HER 2 BAD HABITS, HOW TO EAT PEANUT BUTTER WITH A SPOON AND DROOLE OVER BAGLES AND CREAM CHEESE.

THE TRAINER HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER ABUSED HER, I FIND IT HARD BECAUSE SHE REALLY IS SWEET NATURED. SHE HAS BEGUN TO SHOW A HAIR TRIGGER AND NOT CONSITANT AS TO WHEN THE TRIGGER WILL BE PULLED.
I SPOKE TO A BEHAVORIST AND HE TOLD ME MY HOME IS TO MUCH KAOS FOR THIS DOG. I DISAGREE, I THINK SHE REACTS ON OVERCHARGE AND POOR SOCIAL SKILLS OUTSIDE THE HOME, PRIOR TO THE CAMPOUT AND PUTTINGTOBY DOWN, I THOUGHT I HIT THE MOTHER LOAD. THE DR. TOLD ME SHE IS SHOWING HERSELF NOW THAT I HAVE HAD HER 6MONTHS AND SHE JUST TURNED 2 AND HER PERSONALITY IS COMMING OUT.

MY VET WOULD TELL YOU MY ROTTIE WAS THE SWEETEST ROTTIE SHE EVER MET, AND DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN HE MET ANOTHER DOG OR PERSON WHO DID NOT LIKE HIM. THE ONLY THING HE INSITED ON WAS HE HAD SHOTGUN WHEN RIDING IN THE CAR AMANDA WOULD TRY TO SIT THERE AND HE WOULD NOT GIVE IT UP SO FINALLY SHE WOULD MOVE TO THE BACK. IT WAS NEVER SETTLED BY ANGER, JUST TOBY’S BIG BUTT.

MY GOAL FOR AN ANIMAL THAT LIVES WITH ME IS ONE THAT “LOOKS” TOUGH, SO THAT THE STRANGERS COMING INTO MY HOME, THINK TWICE. I LIKE TO TAKE MY DOGS WITH ME ALL THE TIME, EXCEPT WHEN HOT AND I WILL HAVE TO LEAVE THEM IN THE CAR FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME. I ALSO SHOW RENTALS AT NIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO TAKE HER WITH ME. MY 17 YEAR OLD IS A SOTBALL PITCHER AND TRAVELS OUT OF STATE IN THE SUMMER, SOMETIMES WHEN I GO I LIKE TO TAKE THE DOGS ALSO, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE OUR FAMILY MOVES AS GROUP. BIRD, DOGS. I HAVE 2 TEEN GIRLS IN THE HOME AND A PACK OF OTHERS THAT MAY AS WELL LIVE HERE. I LIKE TO TAKE WALKS, AND GO TO THE DOG PARKS. AT THIS POINT I HAVE STOPPED EVERYTHING OTHER THAN TAKING HER FOR RIDES IN THE CAR. SHE HAS ALSO GOTTEN VERY POSSESSIVE OF ANYONE GETTING NEAR THE CAR. PRIOR TO THE CAMPOUT I FELT AS THOU I HIT THE MOTHER LOAD, SHE WAS SO STABLE. I TOOK HER TO A BEHAVIOUR SPECIALIST AND HE FELT MY HOME IS TO MUCH KAOS FOR HER. ANY SUGGESTIONS?

Rottie,

The trainer is right, your house is entirely too chaotic for this dog. She is a fear biter. She should NEVER BE USED AS A THERAPY DOG. A therapy dog needs to be confident and STABLE. This dog is neither. This dog would be likely to, at some point, bite while she is working.

You need to get much better obedience control over this dog and teach her to respect your authority. If you are not home and insist on letting people come and go at will she needs to be in a crate. As she is starting to take possesion of the house and yard she will become more threatening unless you can teach her not to. Correct her for this type of behavior. This dog is probably not what you are looking for. She may put on a good show, but she is going run or bite if she feels cornered. She is probably going to be ok with people that live in the house, but will be iffy with visitors and you may never be able to tell what will set her off.

Richard, you really read that whole thing? Man, I salute you!

I second that salute. My 7 year year old level attention span could not handle it either! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> lol

I tried to read it but all the caps was driving me insane so I stopped. If it wasn't all in caps I would have been able to read it all.

I agree with the earlier comments. posting questions (or answers) in ALL CAPS is too difficult to read. I aks everyone to not do this. When I get emails that are in ALL CAPS - they go in the dlete bin without comment. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

In computer 'language' posting in capital letters is also conisidered 'yelling'.