Tim Curtis wrote 05/02/2011 07:49 PM C.A.T and B.A.T #330987 - 05/02/2011 07:49 PM
Tim Curtis Webboard User Reg: 07-23-2010 Posts: 227 Loc: Midwest Offline	CAT - Constructional Aggression Treatment BAT - Behavioral Adjustment Training Has anyone tried either CAT or BAT training protocols to modify dog-dog aggression/reactivity? A recent WDJ eBook provided an explaination of CAT and a link to an explaination of BAT. The general case talked about in the articles is where dog A goes into a bark/lunge episode to scare off dog B. From what I read and understood the main benefit of CAT is that in some cases the behavior change from aggression/reaction to calming/neutral is more or less permanent, and the main drawback is that CAT in particular requires multiple skilled people and precise application of the techniques. Brodie
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Al Curbow wrote 05/02/2011 08:41 PM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Tim Curtis ] #331003 - 05/02/2011 08:41 PM
Al Curbow Webboard User Reg: 06-30-2005 Posts: 974 Loc: northeast Offline	I use M.U.G training for dog on dog aggression, I can't stand animal aggression and don't put up with a second of it.
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SamanthaTopper wrote 05/02/2011 08:46 PM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Al Curbow ] #331004 - 05/02/2011 08:46 PM
SamanthaTopper Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2011 Posts: 779 Loc: Indianapolis Offline	What is MUG? Do you perceive the desire for a prey animal as aggression? Example - dog focuses on squirrel and wants to kill. I'd love to really nip all three girls in the bud about their insane desires to kill smaller animals. It'd make walks so much more relaxing for me.
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Tim Curtis wrote 05/02/2011 08:53 PM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Al Curbow ] #331006 - 05/02/2011 08:53 PM
Tim Curtis Webboard User Reg: 07-23-2010 Posts: 227 Loc: Midwest Offline	Quote: Al Curbow I use M.U.G training for dog on dog aggression, I can't stand animal aggression and don't put up with a second of it. I can't stand it either, but you have to decode MUG for us. Brodie
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Betty Waldron wrote 05/02/2011 09:05 PM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Tim Curtis ] #331010 - 05/02/2011 09:05 PM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	Sorry guys, it's a private joke between Al and I! Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 05/02/2011 09:52 PM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Betty Waldron ] #331021 - 05/02/2011 09:52 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	I was hoping to learn a magical training method. No luck.
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Tim Curtis wrote 05/03/2011 08:57 AM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Betty Waldron ] #331066 - 05/03/2011 08:57 AM
Tim Curtis Webboard User Reg: 07-23-2010 Posts: 227 Loc: Midwest Offline	Quote: Betty Waldron Sorry guys, it's a private joke between Al and I! Fair enough. Al/Betty, can you share your approach to getting rid of dog-dog aggression? Brodie
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SamanthaTopper wrote 05/03/2011 11:48 AM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Tim Curtis ] #331088 - 05/03/2011 11:48 AM
SamanthaTopper Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2011 Posts: 779 Loc: Indianapolis Offline	I don't think it's possible to actually get rid of REAL dog aggression, but maybe that's just arguing semantics. Real dog aggression is a personality trait, just like being left handed is a physical trait. You can teach yourself to be right handed, but you'll always be left handed.
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Tim Curtis wrote 05/03/2011 08:33 PM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #331146 - 05/03/2011 08:33 PM
Tim Curtis Webboard User Reg: 07-23-2010 Posts: 227 Loc: Midwest Offline	Here is the blurb I received from WDJ and the link to the eBook in case anyone wants to read it and comment... Modifying Aggressive Behavior There are a host of other things you can do to lower general stress in your dogs' environment. Exercise can be immensely helpful in minimizing overall tension. Physical activity uses up excess energy that might otherwise feed your dogs' aggressive behaviors, (a tired dog is a well-behaved dog). Exercise also causes your dog's body to release various chemicals, including endorphins and norepinephrine, helping to generate a feeling of well-being; an exercised dog is a happy dog! Happy dogs are simply less likely to fight. For more details and advice on modifying dog aggression, purchase Whole Dog Journal's ebook, Approaches to Modifying Dog Aggression. https://secure.whole-dog-journal.com/ppv/default.html?ET=wholedogjournal:e1132:50130790a:&st=email&product_id=20157&t=totw042611laa&track=totw042611laa&source=WW_201105&stype=email Brodie
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Cathy Goessman wrote 05/05/2011 01:35 AM Re: C.A.T and B.A.T [Re: Tim Curtis ] #331335 - 05/05/2011 01:35 AM
Cathy Goessman Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2007 Posts: 1231 Loc: Phoenix, AZ Offline	Scroll down to the bottom of this page for some free info. http://www.animalbehavioranswers.com/id160.html Several lines popped out at me as red flag but I'd have to actually see this stuff in action.
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