 Tail biting??
#334144 - 05/24/2011 01:07 PM |
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Hi, I have been raising dogs for many years and i have never scene this happen: I have 2 pugs both 2 years old 1 male and 1 fem.1 We had the normal dominate issues when we brought ginger in but eventualy worked those out ( tho not 100% since im thinknig shes still stressed cause shes constantly licking the air ((which iskilling my stress lvls)) ) However ... whenver they are playing together he will grab the root of her tail and drag her round the house by it. He also does it every time they are let outside (hubbys lazy and jsut lets them out w/o a leash but does watch them).. how do i ( and do i need to) stop this behavior? it doesnt seem to be hurting her she jsut wiggels and pants and waits for him to let go?
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#334145 - 05/24/2011 01:14 PM |
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Is she spayed? How are her anal glands?
I would really discourage that behavior (I think there might be a slight chance of damage to the spine & nerves)... but first I'd want to know if there's a reason the male is focusing on her tail.
And the air licks... could you say more about that behavior? Is it triggered by something? Does it occur more after eating & drinking? Does she have chewies that she uses? Here I'm thinking palate problems, tooth problems, not stress behavior. Pugs, w/their radically foreshortened muzzles, can have some major mouth issues.
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#334147 - 05/24/2011 01:24 PM |
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I have her glands checked about every 3-4 months by the vet, i cant seem to perfect it by myself but they are clean and they both het their eye, nose, ears and butts cleaned everyday and part of their groomnig routine. Shes not spayed and currently in heat 4 weeks post-partum ( totaly weird) but this beahvoiur has been consisntant and im sure its not related. When ever he does it i correct him but he turns around and grabs it right again.
As for the licking, the kennel says they neve saw her do it before but shes been doing it since the first week here. I have checked her teeth, gums, tounge and throat, checked fo stomach issues since they said an odor can cause it. Everything is fine but she does it constantly, if shes awake shes licking and it forces me to keep her isolated from me cause it irriates me so much that i set the other animals off.. i would LOVE to stop this since they said it can be stress related and if shes stressed that much id like to help her.
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#334149 - 05/24/2011 01:33 PM |
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However ... whenver they are playing together he will grab the root of her tail and drag her round the house by it. He also does it every time they are let outside (hubbys lazy and jsut lets them out w/o a leash but does watch them).. how do i ( and do i need to) stop this behavior?
This is 100% not OK.
Not with any breed is it OK for one member of the pack to overpower and drag around another.
It's the pack leader's job to protect the dog from this.
How? If the dogs have no obedience, then they need it (Pugs are not exempted by breed from the need for pack structure), and until then, if there is no voice control over the aggressor, then he needs a light drag line until there is.
I'm glad you realized that the issue needed addressing, and posted to ask.
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#334151 - 05/24/2011 01:40 PM |
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... And the air licks... could you say more about that behavior? Is it triggered by something? Does it occur more after eating & drinking? Does she have chewies that she uses? Here I'm thinking palate problems, tooth problems, not stress behavior. Pugs, w/their radically foreshortened muzzles, can have some major mouth issues.
Ditto. I'd want a dental exam.
In addition, I'd want to assess their daily structured exercise.
Is the air-licker overweight, by any chance?
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I'm very familiar with the breed. I have rescued a few, and the ones I have now belong to an ob club with over thirty Pug members. 
Weight is a constant issue with these Pigs. I mean Pugs.  Mine are trim and healthy, and they are trained and exercised just like the "real" dogs, and I believe wholeheartedly that with this breed, maybe even more than the ones that are not bracheocephalic, weight management is crucial. It won't help a crowded mouth, but it will definitely minimize many of the breathing and joint problems that plague the breed.
Let us know when the dog who air-licks does it most. What are the circumstances?
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#334152 - 05/24/2011 01:42 PM |
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" if shes awake shes licking and it forces me to keep her isolated from me cause it irriates me so much that i set the other animals off.."
Please let us know the effect of a long walk (structured exercise) and also of distraction (such as a quick maker-training session).
You can address this, and the dog should not have to be isolated. (I do understand it, since I have an air-licker and it's hugely annoying, but you can address it.)
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#334153 - 05/24/2011 01:43 PM |
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It is weird... & the licking would drive me nuts too. I'm wondering if the visual inspection of her mouth was done under anesthesia? There could be something going on that isn't readily apparent, especially if it's way in the back of the mouth/throat or base of the soft palate.
The only other dog I ever saw that licked constantly like that had a sinus tumor... a middle-aged boxer. But he also got frequent nose bleeds. It would be really strange to see something like that in such a young dog. But maybe she snorted a foxtail or something up her nose?
Is the male actually dragging her by the tail? Or the skin at the base of the tail, like right above the tail? Have you tried putting bitter apple on her there?
If you're really convinced that she's physically healthy, you could try some homeopathic remedies... I don't have much experience w/them, but I'm sure somebody here does. And identify the source of the stress... is the male being a pest? You may need to separate them.
And then there's always doggie prozac.
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#334154 - 05/24/2011 01:44 PM |
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She is 4 weeks post-partum and 5.6 kilos. Ihave had her checked for a cleft but doent have one, she was checked by a dentist before her breeding in feb and everything was fine, no holes and on the denatlvets suggestion i have added a mouth wash to her water to see if its an oder but it didnt change the bahaviour so i stopped. I dont feel the need to stick more chemicals in her then she was born with. She is walked 4 times a day andgets a good run. The vet said not to run her but since hes an idoit im looking for a new one.
He doesnt bite the skin he mouths her whole tail and then pulls backwards
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#334158 - 05/24/2011 01:49 PM |
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I feel pretty strongly that the dog doing the pulling-around needs to stop, and not with bitter apple. He needs not to be allowed to do it.
The source of the air-licking stress (if indeed it is stress) might be sorted out with simplest first: Is this an underexercised and bored-to-death dog?
Pugs are dogs. I know they look like dog-like animals, but they are dogs, no matter how far from the wolf pack. The same kind of pack structure, exercise, and ob are needed by toy breeds that are needed by other breeds. Yes, the exercise is a different level, but it does not help a Pug to be a couch potato.
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#334159 - 05/24/2011 01:50 PM |
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"He doesnt bite the skin he mouths her whole tail and then pulls backwards "
I'd consider this a behavior issue and I'd stop it immediately.
I'm glad you posted.
eta
How long after the brisk walk does it take for the licking to re-start?
Also, what happens if it's interrupted with an upbeat ob session?
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