Paul Munzig wrote 06/06/2011 07:22 PM Using food rewards to redirect against DA #335710 - 06/06/2011 07:22 PM
Paul Munzig Webboard User Reg: 11-04-2010 Posts: 25 Loc: Offline	Is it a good idea to use marker training and a focused heel when handling a DA dog encountering other dogs while on walk(of course corrections will be given for any signs of aggression)? This is what I have been doing and it seems to be working relatively well. The reason why I ask is because on the "Dealing with Aggressive Dogs Video" there is no marker training or redirection when Ed is walking the black dog past 2 gated Malinois.
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Webboard User wrote 06/06/2011 07:27 PM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Paul Munzig ] #335714 - 06/06/2011 07:27 PM
Webboard User Webboard User Reg: 03-14-2010 Posts: 94 Loc: Offline	I don't see why it would be a bad idea. That worked for some dogs I've worked with, some it didn't. I've used it for HA dogs as well.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 06/06/2011 07:31 PM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Paul Munzig ] #335715 - 06/06/2011 07:31 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: paul munzig Is it a good idea to use marker training and a focused heel when handling a DA dog encountering other dogs while on walk(of course corrections will be given for any signs of aggression)? This is what I have been doing and it seems to be working relatively well. The reason why I ask is because on the "Dealing with Aggressive Dogs Video" there is no marker training or redirection when Ed is walking the black dog past 2 gated Malinois. That video is older than the marker training videos, articles, etc., as I recall. I certainly use marker work outside the dog's reactive zone, slowly increasing the size of his non-reactive area.
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Anne Jones wrote 06/06/2011 08:24 PM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #335722 - 06/06/2011 08:24 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	A very solid WATCH ME command is the 2nd most valuable command. 2nd only to a very solid recall. At least in my book. It is the 1st thing that I 'teach' my pups. Just by marking & rewarding every time they look at me from day one. Then later putting a name to it. I have a DA dog & in the vets etc it is what I use. Along with a heel command to walk in & out. MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Bob Scott wrote 06/06/2011 09:48 PM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Anne Jones ] #335737 - 06/06/2011 09:48 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Don't focus so much attention on the dog being dog aggressive as anything more then a high level distraction. I really like Connie's comment here; "I certainly use marker work outside the dog's reactive zone, slowly increasing the size of his non-reactive area". Her statement could apply to ANY distraction be it dog aggression, someone walking down the street or a flag flapping in the wind. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Paul Munzig wrote 06/07/2011 11:02 PM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Bob Scott ] #335803 - 06/07/2011 11:02 PM
Paul Munzig Webboard User Reg: 11-04-2010 Posts: 25 Loc: Offline	Thanks for the reassurance everybody. I figured the video was old. Still useful as I learned a few things.
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john axe wrote 06/08/2011 12:04 AM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Paul Munzig ] #335815 - 06/08/2011 12:04 AM
john axe Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2011 Posts: 330 Loc: IL. Offline	make the right easy and the wrong thing difficult. I'm still old school
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john axe wrote 06/08/2011 12:09 AM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Paul Munzig ] #335816 - 06/08/2011 12:09 AM
john axe Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2011 Posts: 330 Loc: IL. Offline	make the right easy and the wrong thing difficult. I'm still old school when i approach another dog on a walk. if he starts to act aggressive i give him something else to think about, mainly obedience exercises
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Connie Sutherland wrote 06/08/2011 10:28 AM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: john axe ] #335834 - 06/08/2011 10:28 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	The O.P. is using obedience. I hope no one gave a different impression. He is using ob exercises and he trains ob using markers. All the posts have been about obedience (using marker training). Paul, I agree 100% that the video is extremely good. Marker training is something to know about to enhance/improve just about any area of training, and the video pre-dates it a bit.
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Paul Munzig wrote 06/08/2011 01:49 PM Re: Using food rewards to redirect against DA [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #335857 - 06/08/2011 01:49 PM
Paul Munzig Webboard User Reg: 11-04-2010 Posts: 25 Loc: Offline	I never thought in my wildest dreams that this dog was capable of walking so nicely with a crazy barking dog behind a fence only 1 foot away. Marker training made it possible to teach my dog to focus though such distractions. I wasn't able to accomplish anything for an entire year with just corrections alone (pertaining to DA).
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