Food agression
#336378 - 06/15/2011 06:35 AM |
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I posted here a while back about raw foods. I feed them raw food but i have allways filet the chichen that i give them. After talking with you guys i have tried to give them the whole chicken pieces Ginger has horrible trouble with eating it and it can take 45 min for her to actually chew it and eat it, Rocky does better but it takes him a while too, however Rocky has now developed a massive food aggression. It doesnt matter what i give him even if its a bowl of water. Hes attacked the puppies, hes raised his lips at me. If i put him in the cage to feed him he rages around if anyone comes near him. I have tried the "owning the food" tactic I tried removing the food and giving it back to him later when hes calmer ive tried removing the chichken and jsut giving him dry foor when he does it but every single time he does it. Ive had to resort to putting a leash on him when we feed him so that IF he goes crazy again i can still controll him. How can i fix this?
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Re: Food agression
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#336384 - 06/15/2011 08:21 AM |
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Re: Food agression
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#336385 - 06/15/2011 08:30 AM |
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Put him in his crate with his food, and let him eat it in peace. Stay away from the crate until he finishes. Keep the other animals away from him while he's eating. This is a management issue that you have probably made worse by taking away then giving back his food. You can 'fix' it by allowing him to eat in peace.
(leash on the dog while eating is not a good idea and will just increase his anxiety and food aggression, IMO)
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Re: Food agression
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#336414 - 06/15/2011 03:39 PM |
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We never both him when hhes eating, i dont watch them i jsut give them their food and walk away, we jsut had an episode however and he attacked a puppy for no reason and were off to the vet the aggression started with food but now noone can go near him, the vet thinks theres something wrong with him. We do feed him in his crate and noone and none of the puppies can even reach him.
The taking it away and giving it back when he was clamer was told to us by the vet and the trainer...
I only hope the puppie will bee ok.. theres blood everywhere and it was only a milla second
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Re: Food agression
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#336415 - 06/15/2011 03:55 PM |
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It's a very old 'training' technique - on the same level as an alpha-roll. Unfortunately it makes the dog worse.
Once a dog learns that using 'aggression' will work - the aggression escalates. You may have to look into teathering him / using a crate to keep him isolated. While gradually re-introducing him to the other dogs.
IMHO - (assuming these are a litter of young puppies), all dogs except the bitch should be kept away from them for just this reason.
Also ditch the trainer - if they believe that taking resources away will help, they aren't worth your time.
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Re: Food agression
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#336416 - 06/15/2011 04:10 PM |
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The vet says he (the puppie) is fine a few punctures to his face ubt his airway is uncomprimised.. hes still in shock however so its not over I have to take him back to the vet in the am for meds and an iv of fluids cause hes unresponisve. Hell wake up when you touch him but hes not eating or drinking the way he should be.
I ahve to admit that i feel responisble for this, i saw the aggression but it was ONLY around food items.. otehr then that they play toether all day, puppies and mom and dad. There allmost 8 weeks old. They were all outside playing.. I have to admit i am stumped as to why he did this, they WERE supervised and we responded in a flash but still i feel like i should have "known" not that im sure I know now.. im taking rocky to thee vet tomorrow to have him checked for pain to see if he was simply lashing out. For 2 years hes been the PERFECT dog.
Ill admit my weekness for dogs, I was bit when i was 12 and i lost alot of my face and spent years in reconstructive surgerys and i am TERRIFIED of dogs it seems the only dogs im not afrid of are the ones ive raised but now im worried that my fears are going to make this issue worse. I dont ahve an interest in getting rid of him.. I wana help him.. help us .. but will my issues make things worse?
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Simple answer - yes it will.
Long answer - you need to change your issues, take a deep breath and just tackle the issue. If you aren't being confrontational you shouldn't get bitten.
Get him a full health check, including thyroid blood test. With pugs you need to get the spine checked and eyes checked - not sure what else, not a pug expert.
Do not listen to the vets behaviour advice after the last thing that he suggested - he is not a dog trainer.
Keep him seperate until the pups are homed. Your house is pretty busy right now, you can't work with him in that environment.
2 years old is also generally the time that aggression seems to appear in a lot of dogs. The trigger probably wasn't the diet change.
See Ed's groundwork programme and put him through it. Use that as a non-confrontational way to change his level of respect for you.
Then feed him in his crate and keep everything calm and away. If no one is there he will not act aggressively. When he finishes call him to you - give a treat and shut him away / let him out for a wee before you go to pick up the bowl.
See - no confrontation and no potential conflict.
Exercise him as much as possible, practice his obedience frequently.
Also do not breed from him again. A dog that is prone to aggression, to the point where he will attack a young pup - is not a candidate for breeding.
There probably was a reason why he bit the pup, sometimes these triggers can be hard to see. Pups of that age can be a nuisence.
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Re: Food agression
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#336434 - 06/15/2011 08:17 PM |
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PLEASE read Tanith's and Lynne's posts carefully!
And "Do not listen to the vets behaviour advice after the last thing that he suggested - he is not a dog trainer."
Please don't even ask this vet a training or behavior question. That advice you got was way up there in the stupidest advice I have heard.
And please re-read the replies you received. Breathe deep, read, start over.
Let us know how it goes.
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Re: Food agression
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#336476 - 06/16/2011 03:55 PM |
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This is interesting to me because in this case the male became aggressive around food once the diet became raw. At the same time there are puppies involved and there was never signs of aggression before this.
I am wondering...what is the females reaction when he is attacking her pups?
My Dakota (4 year old female pit mix) is possessive and will get aggressive towards Jeter (4 1/2 year old Male Pit mix) over anything. She will chase him away with a mock attack. I call it that because she will growl and charge but not bite.
jeter can rip her to pieces but in every case he thinks she is playing. he goes into a play bow and she returns to guard whatever she is guarding.
Not sure how to handle this.
Wish I had advise for Seline but I don't. My best advice is to listen very carefully and completely to anything Connie says. Good Luck
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I wouldn't allow even 'mock' aggression between my dogs. Just not tolerated. PERIOD. One of these days...she will bite him & you will have fight & a very big vet bill. I think that maybe you have just been lucky up until now.
I would remove any of the possession triggers...toy, bones, treats, etc.
I would feed them seperately with no one having to look over their shoulder while eating their meals.
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