Hoping someone can provide some guidance to this issue. I also want to bring awareness of how Mark Roth conducts his business.

I was hired by an officer out of Texas to train a dual purpose dog. The officer is buying the dog and cannot afford the full prices that come with these dogs. I agreed to train the dog at cost. After looking around I came across BlackJack. On their website they had a few dogs available. I started the process of gathering details on the dogs. Spoke to Mr. Roth on the phone explaining what we were looking for.

Mr. Roth sent an email with a description, photos and some videos. Everything looked the way it should for a green dog. The agreed price was $3500.00 that the officer paid. I left the country on a contract for a week or so. My training partner made arrangements to have the dog flown in to our kennels. The day the dog came in he was nasty. I advised my partner to place the dog in the run until I returned. (Basically for the weekend.)
Frist thing Monday I pulled the dog out to inspect it.

Everything seemed good to go until I gave the dog a tug. The dog bit down on the tug and cried. I wasted no time to inspect the dog’s mouth. Upon looking the dog has a broken canine and a few smaller teeth that were broken.

I called Mr. Roth; he assured me that he was unaware of the broken tooth. He asked what he could do to fix the issue. I asked for a swap from anything else he had available. He sent me a couple of emails with details about other dogs he had. But the price had jumped to $5500.00. Plus one of the prospects he sent also had a broken canine. I explained to him my client cannot afford the price increase and that he wants a dog with all of his teeth. Mr. Roth said he can’t help us then.

I informed Mr. Roth we will be sending the dog back and require a refund. Mr. Roth explained the buyer’s agreement does not allow any warrantees on the said dog. That would be fine except the dog came to us defective and we were not informed about the dogs tooth.

So it’s kind of like buying a 3 legged table and the furniture company and the company saying your out of luck!

Any guidance would be appreciated for myself and this officer. How do you break a dogs tooth anyway? Bad decoys that how.

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How do you break a dogs tooth anyway? Bad decoys that how.

I can't help on your other issues- I'm sorry that your client/your business had such a poor experience.

BUT- dogs can also break canines/teeth in a variety of other situations. My personal dog broke his canine trying to get out of a crate. I'd agree that less-then-fantastic decoys would rank high on the list as well, but sometimes $hit happens. Maybe bad genetics were a factor with this dog, if he had several broken teeth. Poor dog.

bad containment, poor health, poor diet, genetics.

gotta watch my dog, had no adversion to carrying metal objects

I'm with Dennis. Also working on bite sleeve can worn down the dogs' teeth too.

I know a 1 yr old DS who's now retired from bite work. His teeth are trashed. Not from the sleeve, but from chainlink chewing... It's a shame. Beautiful imported dog, with impressive drives.

three of the dogs in our program at work have titanium teeth from chewing on their crate.

I understand dogs break their teeth in many different ways. I have been training dogs for some time now; this has yet to happen to me. The comment was more of a joke than anything. The dogs I have seen with broken teeth are 90% the result of bad decoys. Bad behavior can be fixed like chewing on the crate.
I know the risk going into a deal like this. But there is not much one can do with a time hack. I just do not have the time or the money to spend and actually looking at every dog we buy prior to the purchase. I was hoping that someone might have some in-site for this issue. Thanks

John, start a new thread titled 'contract problems', or something of that nature, in 'General Conversation', and ask folks to view this post. (or provide a link directly to this post by right clicking here, copy the link info under 'properties', and pasting into your new post.

There is at least one lawyer who regularly posts here, and hopefull she will see it an respond. If you could provide details of the contract that would be helpful.

Good luck.

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I know the risk going into a deal like this. But there is not much one can do with a time hack. I just do not have the time or the money to spend and actually looking at every dog we buy prior to the purchase. I was hoping that someone might have some in-site for this issue. Thanks

Like you said it *is* a risk buying a dog sight unseesn. I sympathize with you but I'm not sure what else anyone can offer.

People wonder why I say treat all vendors like you would a used car dealer. If you don't have a replacement guarantee in this day and age, go to a vendor that does have one. Most reputable police vendors will replace a dog. I never buy anything without personally testing it AND conducting my own physical. In this business it certainly is caveat emptor, buyer beware.

DFrost