Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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.... I discovered that if I put my hands behind my back and did not move when I gave the command to sit, down or stand my little genius would look at me like I was speaking a foreign language. She has been following my body language and not my words. I'm trying to correct it, but it is frustrating. She goes down immediately, but sit and stand she is still relying on my hands to guide her. Any advice?
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At what point do they stop relying on the cue? Or better, when should I?
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Another point to consider: Skipper is pretty much deaf and only responds to hand signals and body language. I am grateful that he has been able to learn to Come, Sit, Down, and Wait by hand signals alone. So I am teaching Jethro both.
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If memory serves me right the process works as follows:
- lure into position, mark - PAUSE - reward;
- abbreviate the lure into the hand gesture, mPr;
- add command - PAUSE - hand gesture - mPr;
- gradually make the gestures shorter and quicker;
- when dog starts moving into position AFTER the command but BEFORE the hand gesture - this is where you stop using the gestures unless the help is needed. The gestures are still used when the dog does not perform the command quickly enough. At this point the gesture becomes a help and should not be normally a part of the exercise.
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Wish I could offer advice, but I talk with my hands. I can't STOP gesturing, no matter how hard I might try Personally, I am a lot more likely to use the gesture with my dogs than to give a verbal command.
Thanks Ana! I will start working on that. I knew it was me and not her. Usually (always) if she's not responding I know I'm the one messing up and try to take it a couple steps back, take a deep breath and start over.
Connie, I just started posting and I appreciate you starting this new discussion for me thanks. I just get so excited about dog stuff I can't help myself. My daughter says I act like I just found Jesus
Ana, I've noticed since our post that when we are heeling or leaving the house she always follows my commands without the hand gestures. It's like she's in the training mode, but when we are just in the house taking a few minutes at a time with treats working on marker training, she is more focused on the treat. So I put my hands behind my back, with the treats in my hand and give the command and she just stares at me, trying to guess which hand it's coming from, but when I use my hand signals she is pawing at my hand trying to get the treat. I have even tried marking the behavior and then getting the treat out of my bag and rewarding. How do I get her to stop focusing on my hands? I have even tried using cheese and spitting the treat after marking the behavior, but she still seems so amped up looking for the treat. Any suggestions?
Thanks Ana! I use to play that game all the time with her, but we haven't for a couple months now. Except I always held the treats in my fist and when she backed away, I treated. Then she got to the point where she would back away and sit from my open hand full of treats and then I would treat. I think I'm going to start playing it again like Cindy did with the treats scattered on the floor. Maybe it will reinforce that the treats are mine and she gets them when I say. My Shiloh looks like the female version of Dante. I just need to back up a step and take it slower with her. I think when I say "yes" she gets so excited she lunges for the treat. I also think I need to work on my excitement and volume too. She is very excitable and I need to find one volume and excitement level that keeps her from launching into outer space.
You seem to really know dogs and how to train them. I'm new at this and may pick your brain a bit if you don't mind.
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the process works as follows:
Personally, I am a lot more likely to use the gesture with my dogs than to give a verbal command.
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