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focus: kenneling vs. house dog
#29648 - 03/25/2002 08:00 AM |
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I am wondering whether a dog that is kenneled outside would focus more on the handler, as the only time it comes in contact with him would be for training, or would a house dog focus more because it has constant contact with the handler?
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#29649 - 03/25/2002 08:30 AM |
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I mean for this question to apply to Schutzhund, rather than general obedience.....
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#29650 - 03/25/2002 10:34 AM |
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Scott,
Let me give you a couple of examples.
When you were in school, and went to 3 period math class, over time did you focus more on this teacher because the only time you saw him was in class?
Take this same scenaro and make this teacher your Father, who you spent quality time with and grew to love and respect him because he treated you fairly,and applied math in real life such as when you go to the store and add up food prices, then would you be more focused in class?
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#29651 - 03/25/2002 10:35 AM |
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There's probably as many opinions on this issue as there are on any other dog training issue <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> .
To level with you, Scott, I think it probably depends on the dog. I've always kept mine in the house because I like to have them in the house. Then again I've never competed in the big leagues. My personal take is that if I had to keep my dogs kenneled to compete at the top levels, then I'd just as soon not.
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#29652 - 03/25/2002 12:56 PM |
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Lonny:
I get where you were going on this but you missed the mark. The better scenario would be if your father was the teacher and the only time you saw him was in math class. You would pay attention much more because you knew that this was the only time you would see him.
In my observations the answer is simple and pretty universal. You will get more focus from a kenneled dog than a housedog. The controversy is when you ask if it is possible to make it work for a housedog. That is where the tempers fly. “My dog Fito sits on my lap all day long and I dare you to come to my cub and tell me he is not the best dog that ever lived.” The problem is in the difficulty of proving how much better he would be if you kicked him off the coach. This is because they are not willing to try and then compare results. There have been many members of my club that we limited the amount of time with their dogs at home and the results were remarkable.
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#29653 - 03/25/2002 01:02 PM |
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You can get a similar, but lesser effect by crating the dog for a couple of hours prior to working the dog. Often this is extended to an hour or two after also to allow the dog to process the session.
Another thing that has been done here is to teach the obedience for basic house manners and walking in public first. Once that is down well train the Attention heeling seperate when the dog is a little older. It seems to be working fairly well.
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#29654 - 03/25/2002 01:06 PM |
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I agree with Richard but the fact remains that if you main goal is top performance than kenneling is the only way to go.
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#29655 - 03/25/2002 01:54 PM |
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Thanks for all the advice, I asked this question because i live in Manhattan, in an apartment. My dog is a rescued rott and does not have the drive of a real working dog. I am trying to do all I can to build the drives he does have, which according to the trainer I am using is considerable for the type of dog he is. Several days a week I have to take him to a doggie day care where he runs around all day with other dogs, which probably teaches him it's more fun to play with other dogs than with me. The alternative to this is to get a dog walker, which I'm not sure whether she would teach him bad habits when out walking. Also, it's probable that because whenever he has to relieve himself, I have to walk him, every single time, most likely he doesn't know when we are simply going for a walk and when we are going to train, although because of this he walks very well on leash! I will take Richard's advice of crating him for a while before training and see how that goes. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated....
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#29656 - 03/25/2002 11:16 PM |
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Actually Vince, I didn't miss the mark, it is that you think a kenneled dog will preform better at trial time and I don't. I'm not saying I'm right, just what I think. I am with Pete on this one, if I had to kennel my dog to preform in the high ranks, no thanks.. haha even rymes!
Hence my scenario fits my thinking and yours fits yours!
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#29657 - 03/27/2002 09:27 AM |
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Lonny:
It is perfectly fine to disagree with me but please be consistent with your responses. Pete said that if I and others are correct, then he would opt for a poorer performance than to kennel his dog. So please do not say that I am incorrect and use Pete to ditto your reasoning. You will find a majority of experts agree with me. That is not to say that a majority of experts cannot and have not been wrong in the past. But do not blame me for pointing this out especially when you gave the impression to Scott that your feelings were widely accepted. They are not.
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