Quick question because my shepherd had an accident he knows that he shouldn't of had. He got his firm correction with the marker of no as super bad like he know and of course the nose in it deal. And afterwards he was left on the porch for a few minutes and brought back inside where he was told down which is lay to him and not to move. I just really wonder is it possible to make the correction too long in a situation where something bad was done and an ultimate no needs to be made.

Are you talking house breaking accident?

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Quick question because my shepherd had an accident he knows that he shouldn't of had. He got his firm correction with the marker of no as super bad like he know and of course the nose in it deal. And afterwards he was left on the porch for a few minutes and brought back inside where he was told down which is lay to him and not to move. I just really wonder is it possible to make the correction too long in a situation where something bad was done and an ultimate no needs to be made.

"the marker of no as super bad "


This is not what a marker is.

A marker, including a negative marker, is NOT a punishment.

But that's completely aside.


PLEASE tell me you did not "of course nose in it deal" correct for a potty accident.

If you did what it sounds like you did, then what you do now is roll up a magazine really tight and whack yourself hard with it.


ETA
Someone has told you or showed you extremely bad house-training "methods." All you just taught this dog is that there can be mysterious angry violence done on him by his owner/protector/teacher around his necessary body functions.

I reacted with such shock because it has been many years since I have heard of anyone doing this. It never taught anything 35 years ago, and it doesn't now.

Please tell us what's going on (details) and we'll help you with it.

Joseph, if your dog had an accident in the house the fault is yours, not his.

There is no correction for potty training issues. You need to be more diligent about getting him out in a timely fashion. Do you physically observe him when he goes, to make sure he actually relieves himself? (ie, not just let him out in the back yard and assume that he's done his business?)

What were the circumstances surrounding him going in the house?

Yep every time my pup had an accident I went to the nearest wall and hit my head against it since I should have taken her out sooner rather than later. IT is never the dogs fault if they have an accident instead you should have just been paying more attention to said dog and this would have never happened.

Oh dear.


To give you a quick answer to the bottom line of your post.... YES, you can make a correction too long. Dogs are not people 'time out's' in the sense you would give a 7yr old a time out DO NO WORK with dogs. They don't get it.

Go grab that newspaper now, get on to the beating of your head. Nose smushing into poo/pee just makes the dog dislike you. Plain and simple. It's mean. Primitive dog training at it's worst.

Joseph, people are stunned because this is OLD-style training that was never good in the first place.

It's not like it has been replaced by better --- it's more like it was always both abusive and completely ineffective. The effects from it are all negative.

Everyone on this thread would be happy to help with real house-training. I KNOW that. Me too. I didn't mean to embarrass you .... I was (still am, really) just shocked that this was still around.

Now I know that it is, and I'd be more than happy to help you with it. OK? I/we've house-trained about a zillion dogs .... I promise I/we can help.

I haven't had a failure yet.

Hey, the fact that you asked shows you are willing to improve on what you know I'm sure everyone has had a training moment where we have done something we were taught and then learned a nicer, more effective way to help our dogs.
Questions: How reliable is his houstraining at this point? How often are you letting him out? Any excess water or food that may have upset his stomach to create this accident (remember that he didn't do it on purpose and was probably just as upset as you were if he's reliably housetrained )
Also, corrections can be over done. House soiling is not a correction worthy offense IMHO, but when a correction takes place for other reasons, it should be short, well timed and to the point othwise by the time you are done, the dog probably won't remember what he was being corrected for.

It wasnt a matter of taking him out in time to use the bathroom. It was him running around the house wanting to play and at the same time something I've dealt with since he was adopted and that being him sort of scared of the leash like a dominant issue a previous owner had with him. He was running around the house wanting to play and before he tore the carpet up cutting corners and turning around I decided to take him out to let him burn some steam off but when taking him out and grabbing the leash to link it up he did the same thing he did the first week I got him and that was drop to the ground and pee with no sterness given only laughing and telling him you wanna go play. So it was not my fault to all of those who are throwing a drama fit over it with out having the full story. It is something I been battling that somewhere before me the leash or letting out or something has been scolded bad to him before I got him. And for about 6 weeks he hasn't done it but last night seemed to be a back step. So smack yourself with the newspaper and all the other stuff. I didn't ask for scrutiny I asked for help.