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Making eye contact while heeling
#30329 - 12/05/2003 09:57 AM |
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I have a question for the board.. When a dog looks at your face/eyes during heeling in a routine.. To get a dog ready for competition, do you guys use compulsion to proof the eye contact while heeling, or is this purely motivational? I use a tug under my armpit or a ball on a string around my neck and Onyx heels beautifully. Once the tug or ball is hidden or taken away, Onyx does not heel off lead without his toy. 1. Do I use prong collar and "Heel" to make eye contact without the toy (dog doesnt have a choice at this point) or, do I continue using the toy without compulsion of any form?
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#30330 - 12/05/2003 01:56 PM |
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I believe I understand your question. This is the reason Im not a big fan of teaching a dog to look up when heeling because I have a reward up high.I would prefer the dog to make eye contact because it knows it is making eye contact and not just looking at a toy or waiting for it to fall out from somewhere high. When teaching it that way you loose the ability to seperate the eye contact from the heeling. They are two seperate things. You cant correct for not making eye contact if it has been lumped in with heeling.You need to teach eye contact on command, seperate from heeling. I would advise that you start by teaching it out of heeling position so the dog doesnt lump the two together on its own.When youve done that ,then you can correct a dog for not making eye contact and also have the ability to correct the dog for being out of heel position without confusing the dog about what it is you are wanting.
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#30331 - 12/05/2003 03:31 PM |
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David, thanks for your reply. I was told by the Schutzhund club that "heel" means... the basic position.. which means.. on your left side parallel to the handler AND LOOKING AT YOU. So, I was told when I say "Heel" the dog should know to come to that position AND make eye contact.
Is that the correct definition of "heel" in Schutzhund?? Do you train eye contact and heel at two separate times then later incorporate the two into one? That is the question I had, I just didnt know how to put it in words exactly.
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#30332 - 12/05/2003 03:48 PM |
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Its just my opinion but I do believe that "heel" means the dog in basic position and looking up at me but I also believe that it is a luxury to have the ability to seperate the two. Ive taught it both ways. For some dogs it isnt an issue and for other dogs it is.From my experience Ive decided I like teaching eye contact first and then teaching the heel.There are plenty of excersises to isolate and teach the correct heel position. It just seems to be easy to teach a goodlooking heel if the dog already has good eye contact. And when I say eye contact Im not talking about a dog looking up because it thinks I have a toy up there.
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#30333 - 12/05/2003 09:51 PM |
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I've always had problems getting my dog to look up at me during his heel. I believe our problem is size. I'm 5'2" as he is very tall. It throws him off balance and it appears to be uncomfortable for him. I've tried the toys under the arm pit, over my shoulder, in my mouth, etc, doesn't work for us. My feeling, if he heels correctly and is always checking my position along with his own, he's fine. That's my input. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#30334 - 12/05/2003 11:28 PM |
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Im with David. Heel means possition and eye contact for a compatition dog. If not a comp. dog, who cares? If you were to agree with the last. Then, as David stated, the eye contact should be tought first. Before any obediance. And if tought properly (motivational) there will not be any reason for correction. There are many times when I want to give hand signals! AKC, ring sports, etc. Its a bit hard if the dog is looking away from you. Sit also means look at me. As does down, stay and everything else. Now for those that say there are no points off for lack of eye contact in SchH, I remind you that the overall picture of the "team" working as a team is scored.And with a dog watching your eyes you look a lot better as a team.
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#30335 - 01/16/2004 05:37 PM |
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My dog does great when healing she looks up at me and waits for a command from me. But as soon as we start to walk she looks straight ahead and I can't get her to look at me when walking.
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#30336 - 01/16/2004 10:36 PM |
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You might want to have a solid eye contact foundation with your dog before trying to heel, I stuff my mouth with a hot dog and have the dog in a sitting position very close to me so that he has to look up, and as soon as he look away I said "look" and spit out a small piece of hotdog, keep doing that until the dog can look at you for atleast 1 minute and then introduce distraction like kids, phone... until the dog does not look away when there are distraction, then you can start too heel very SLOW at first, the key is to have a solid eye contact foundation then the heeling will be very easy.
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#30337 - 01/24/2004 02:36 PM |
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Thanks Khoi,
Been away for awhile that's why I'm just now posting, I'll give that a try sounds like it would work. Thanks
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#30338 - 01/24/2004 11:38 PM |
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I agreed with Ron, Khoi and David
I'll teach my dog stationary watch untill he is perfect for 5 minutes looking at my eyes not face then I'll add mild disteaction and sloowly add up the distractions with ppl throwing balls, walking pass him etc. When my dogs will not look at the distraction around then its time to teach him moving eye contact with the understanding of the 4 D's is important in dog training
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