ok, in the mastiff world I've come across 3 main group types

#1 none.... straight foward it's what I got on my girls

#2 the implied ....leading back to pages of whats not covered and what will void it, but no actual guarantee to speak of on health

#3 one or two years on life threating issues and health, which is not much better than the implied cause you can not test some things untill after two

First off I will let someone keep the dog if there is a problem, second I will want to be able to cover dogs past two

I don't want to mis lead potential customers and imply anything

I also do not want to be taken advantage of by carless puppy owners

does any breeder on here(or owner) have suggestions or links to a guarantee thats fair for both buyer and seller

does something like the following sound right ???

Buyer will need to make available to the breeder copies of the puppy/dogs’ complete medical records along with a written diagnosis of the severe genetic disorder from two separate certified licensed veterinarians experienced with large breed dogs, to include the Mastiff breed, stating that the problem is genetic and is not the result of an injury, accident, disease, abuse, neglect or an acquired illness. Breeders vet must confirm and agree with the diagnosis.

thanks in advance

My breeder has a 3 years genetic and birth defects garantee.

For hip it is mention that is has to be a certification of ...
I don`t remember what garde she had some thing like poor or less. or if the dog show impairment in his fonction.

Any thing that would result from the owner`s fault is not cover

This is the Leerburg puppy guarantee: http://leerburg.com/guarante.htm

Ariane,I like the Idea of a three year,
but ya, the leerburg guarantee is straight foward. that type of warrantee should part of regestering a dog, it is in the owners favor

pups hips are warranted to OFA at 2 years of age. This warranty expires when the pup is 28 months old. This means the owner has a 4 month window to have the pup x-rayed and certified by the OFA. If the OFA recommends an additional x-ray in 6 months to issue a certification the owner will rex-ray the dog at 30 months of age. The majority of dogs who are re x-rayed come back with a certification.

I like the above part especially, Thanks Kelly

I have not explored the whole leerburg website, wish I had say about 5 years ago.....I just found this in the Q&A. am I reading it out of context or is this a part of what I posted on the leerburg hip garantee

This is the reason that I only offer a partial hip replacement guarantee on my puppies. If a dog from my kennel has bad hips I will only warrant 1/2 the price of the dog. There needs to be some responsibility from dog owners to make sure that they feed a good healthy diet (commercial dog food is not a healthy diet) and do not over exercise their pups. This is the only way I can think of to address this issue. I do my part as a breeder by only breeding dogs with 5 generations of good hips. I expect my customers to do their part in making sure their pups develop properly.

The contracts I got with the BB's is pretty much the same as the one Kelly linked to.

The one clause that could and has proven to be a bit ambiguous in mine is the one about the dog being returned to the breeder if it comes to their attention the dog is being neglected/abused in any way; an issue has come to light recently where the owner started collecting dogs for his breeding programme of 'distinction' (pauses for hollow laughter), but in the last couple of months, and with no rational reason, has announced he has to give away, or preferably sell his dogs on to a breeder for a crazy and unachievable, (even if it was ethical or immoral) price to recoup his 'losses' - diddums, then a few weeks ago he declares an 'accidental' breeding took place between one of his tested and certificated bitches, and an unproven, unregistered imported sire, and now he is having to sell pups too.

My question to my breeder was can't you inforce the clause, i.e neglect, but in law she has no rights; she has offered him the full asking price to get her dogs back, and will go and collect them, he has gone to ground and wont take calls or reply to emails, she is beyond tortured about this, and blames herself for letting him have the dog to start with, BUT he presented as a perfectly competent, sensible and honourable man, with a lifetime of experience with gaurdian breeds.

I know I keep banging on about the huge responsibility of breeding and placing pups, but my point is, even when you have followed all the protocols and covered all your bases, things can unravel really fast when the wool is pulled, sorry if I am being a harbinger of doom, I am coming up mostly with cons and not too many pros, sorry Dave

Everyone gets caught up in the language when in reality a high percentage of people on both sides aren't going to spend the legal fees and time to enforce a contract. Who's going to spend a few grand and a couple of years, good money after bad.

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Everyone gets caught up in the language when in reality a high percentage of people on both sides aren't going to spend the legal fees and time to enforce a contract. Who's going to spend a few grand and a couple of years, good money after bad.

as always the lawyers win

I'm still pondering flying this past a lawyer, but I am genuine and have always tried to live with "do unto others..."


http://www.kingmanmastiffs.com/puppy-guarantee.php


does this seem fair, are there areas I need to clarify?

Who defines genetic disorders? Who defines non genetic HD? Who defines crippling?

I have a right of first refusal clause instead of being returned. Who is a breeder to demand that a dog be returned to them for free? I do want a chance to make an offer and put in the contact that I am more then willing to help rehome a dog and that a dog will always have a home here if need be.

Personally I try and keep my contract simple and it states the minimum I will do. I have often gone above and beyond. For me, if any one of my buyers is willing to treat a dog for any condition the rest of their life they are more then welcome to another dog whenever they are ready.

Dogs leave here with a current health certificate. I don't require a vet visit.

Just my two cents, everybody has their own thoughts but this is what has worked for me.

The biggest thing I think is keeping in contact with your buyers after the pup leaves. Your current and on top of things that way!