Just wondering if anyone has ANY ideas for Keiko...
I noticed when Keiko was a few months old he was not to interested in where he went to the bathroom. As he has grown he has become worse about not caring where he goes to potty and than just walking or laying in it unless I pick it up as soon as it hits the ground. He smells a lot and it is just plan gross.
Is there not anything that can be done to help a dog get out of such a habit? I saw the place where he was the first weeks of life and it was not crowded with plenty of ground to properly use.
When I first brought Keiko home the crate was new to him and he was harder to potty train till I used a crate that would only fit him. Now he won't go in his crate unless left for over 12 hours (only did this once and it was pee).
He didn't have any accidents for several months until we were in Mexico and I had him tied with cloth leash (my mistake) and went to the next room upstairs. In about 15 min he came dragging 1/2 the leash and when I took him back down I noticed he had marked the church wall. He had been out to potty 30 min prior.

Just really frustrated about him walking in his poo and looking for any ideas you might have.

Walk him on leash at poop time.

That way, you can walk him away from it and pick it up immediately as well.



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I'd make a strong commitment never to crate the dog (any dog) for 12 hours... particularly a crate "that would only fit him." Pee or poop or anything, this is far too long to immobilize a dog in a crate.

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To estimate poop time, all you need is a simple journal for a week or two (of when poop follows meals). Walking briskly at that time usually stimulates peristalsis and gets things going, and then it can be picked up immediately.

The time he was in the crate for 12 hours was not planed that way. And it has never happened again. When I spoke of the crate to his size- that was when he was 2-4 months, not anymore, although he is filling his EX crate quickly.
Keiko and Zuki are never in the crate unless it is bed time or we all leave as a family.
He poops in the morning twice and once later in the afternoon. Zuki is less predictable but she doesn't have the problem.
I try to pick it up quick as possible however they are tied in my "living room"(right outside the camper door) and sometimes I go to the "bedroom"(van or camper) for 15 min so I am not always standing right there.

"The time he was in the crate for 12 hours was not planed that way. And it has never happened again. "

Gotcha.




Predictable poops make it easy to make it a point to walk the dog on leash at poop times, let the exercise stimulate peristalsis, and pick it up immediately.

I understand that you're not always standing right there. I meant that you could arrange to be walking with a leash at poop time.

If you keep a minimal journal for a week or two, you'll see the relationship between meals and poop so you have more prediction power and ability to be walking with the dog at the right time. You can even manipulate poop time by adjusting meal times, once you have that pattern on paper and can see how/when his system works.

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I made it sound harder than it is, I see, reading back.

For me, it's a very simple journal (a piece of paper taped to the fridge or the back door, or the boxes on a good-size calendar). There's mealtimes and poop times and possibly an occasional note about something else that affected poops.

Well without the paper I already know... I feed them both at night they poop in the morning. and keiko does again around noon.
So I don't have to make another post-- I give keiko one feeding but I am a little worried about bloat, what is it that really causes it and should I be worried?

Bloat doesn't fit in a "potty problems" thread.

I moved in to the health forum in a bloat heading:

http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=31768&page=1#354352

 Quote: Elizabeth Anderson

... I already know... I feed them both at night they poop in the morning. and keiko does again around noon.

Then you have your times already -- walk him at those times, and pick up the poop.