Just wondering what people think here.
Do good working lines for Advanced Obedience really matter that much?
Obviously any dog can learn basic stuff, and most are capable of some advanced. Does anyone know of any top Schutz dogs or similar without "great lines"?
What are the main differences with these dogs?
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I think that working bloodlines still dominate obedience competitions in almost any venue.
You really need to have a dog who has good food and prey drives, who has a good work ethic, who learns fast, and who has the nerves to deal with the pressure of top level competition.
Now of course you don't have to have a great dog to win in obedience, as it is mainly a forum for the trainer. A great trainer can do a lot with almost any dog who likes food or a toys.
If you are not a great trainer a good dog will take you a lot further than a crappy one. That's my excuse. LOL
Schutzhund is an entirely different matter. You can only go so far in Schutzhund with a crappy dog. Competition at anything above the club level is utterly dominated by working bloodline dogs. In Schutzhund you not only have to be a good trainer, but the dog has to be an outstanding animal. Your dog has to have "it" or you're not going anywhere.
I'm sure there are competitive dogs here or there that come from who knows what backround, but not many.
My husband's dog is a show lines Shepherd.Her general personality is a little neurotic. She has a real willingness to work for him, however going to obedience matches certainly wasn't something she enjoyed. Being at the shows obviously stressed her alot. She has her CD title but he stopped taking her after that. There wasn't much point in continuing a dog sport that the dog didn't enjoy competing in. We have also done some agility training with her but don't intend to compete with her. She just doesn't have the focus to successfully compete. I'm not saying that no showlines dog could do it but our experience wasn't so great.
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Ed said it best, though i think he was quoting Bernhard Flinks, when he said, "trying to work with a showline or American bred dog is like trying to run a formula 1 race with a truck", I prefer the cliche' my elementry, 68yr old female gym teacher use to say when she would talk about dealing with me "It's like pulling freakin hens teeth, and HENS AIN'T GOT NO TEETH!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Thats ok, Mrs, Goodrich I miss you pulling my ear(literally) where ever you must be by now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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