Lori Hall Webboard User Reg: 06-12-2007
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If I am having a lot of trouble with how Kasey takes the treat out of my hand (he uses his front teeth and it hurts no matter how I hold it), is it ok to to click the right behavior for what I'm currently teaching, and then keep the treat inside my fist and say 'easy' until he seems like he's going to take it calmly? or is that teaching 2 things at the same time?
I've' tried to teach just 'easy', and he does ok when it's just that, but once I return to teaching a different behavior then he is so excited when he hears that click that he forgets all about 'easy' and my hand gets really sore. He is very food driven even right after he eats.
Lori Hall Webboard User Reg: 06-12-2007
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I have considered doing that, but I saw on one of Ed's marker videos that if your dog doesn't have a very high interest in the treats, then toss them and it'll make them go after it more. So I guess I was thinking that would make him even more excited about treats.
Is there any situation in training when tossing them wouldn't be a good idea, or can I toss em for everything?
Ben McDonald Webboard User Reg: 05-25-2011
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I may be a little off the mark here, but it's my general understanding that how you treat teaches where and when to focus.
Rewarding with a treat from either hand randomly, or any number of other ways from off your person, teaches him to remain focused on you for his treat. If you teach commands with a reward on the ground in front of him, he will learn to look at the ground to find his treat and not focus his attention on you. With some commands, its not a big deal, or if you don't mind his focus being on the ground instead of you, then have at it.
I believe its the marker training video that goes into a good amount of detail about how, when and why to reward with treats. Cindy makes it look so easy with the awsome timing, and rapid treating. Mr. Frawley even gives a demo on how to hold the treats so you don't get nipped. Just my 2 cents!
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005
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Lori, are you letting Kasey take it off your palm or from your fingers?
Im not sure if it matters, and someone tell me if im wrong, but with Tucker I hold the treat in my fist and when I say "yes" instead of opening my hand for him to get the treat I hold my "fist" up slightly, so that he has to point his head up the just open the bottom two fingers enough for the treat to come out and then just drop the treat in his mouth.
God, that sounds more complicated than it really is.
I practiced a bit with it on my own so that the timing was good, and it is do-able. Just takes some practice to get the motion right and to do it quick enough for the dog to make the connection.
Lori Hall Webboard User Reg: 06-12-2007
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Wendy, I do keep the treat in my fist, not my fingers. But your idea seems like a good one. I tried tossing them yesterday and he gets all wrapped up in looking all around to see if there are anymore of them on the ground after he eats the one I toss!
Thanks for the tip. I'll practice a bit before I start doing it.
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I don't really have any advice, just a funny story. Radar used to nip with his front teeth when he'd take the treat, and a toddler wanted to give him a cookie so I told the little boy to hold it flat in his hand with his hand out. The cookie was one of those jumbo sized milk bones and about as big as the kids hand. Radar grabbed his ENTIRE HAND and then stood there with a really confused look on his face while we gasped and I started to grab at him to pull him off. No harm done, apparently he wasn't actually biting and just mouthed the hand, but now Radar takes large cookies extremely gentle, spits them out on the floor, noses at them a bit, and then gently breaks them apart into smaller bites. I have to wonder if it's associated with the surprise of finding a whole hand in his mouth.
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With my 5 mo GSD Pup I found that the higher I hold the treat, the more it hurts. He tends to get more fingers and skin.
If I hold my hand flat with the ground and lower, he takes it OFF my hand instead of trying to take my hand off. I try to position it so that he just has to tilt his head down and be at the right level to take the treat.
Lori Hall Webboard User Reg: 06-12-2007
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Maybe it wasn't a coincidence, but it was interesting that today's Leerburg email video was Michael Ellis showing how to deliver the food during training! He showed how to position it in your hand, and how to position your hand to the dog. Thanks Leerburg!
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