I have a PetSafe "Big Dog Trainer" e-collar for my dog, It has 8 settings and a 5 second shut off. Also the option of tone only.
I have been reading up on Tri Tronics and Innotek. I just spoke to a salesman today about a collar. I'm wondering if they all shut off after 10 seconds, how do you do the continuous low level until the dog does what it is supposed to. i.e. hold the object, or return to the desired area. Or am I looking at the wrong product for that? What do you recommend from your experiences. I don't need a 1 mile, just a waterproof short range with sound and continuous low level, with a quick high nick for "outs". The one I have can do a low level for 5 seconds is that enough? Does 10 seconds make that much difference? I don't know if I should spend the $300 on another? I'm confused again. LOL
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I would highly recomend that you look at the Dogtra 1100 or 1200.
Bar none it is the best product on the market today.

Ed recently started to sell these products a week ago. He dropped Innoteck and added Dogtra because of the quality of the product.
He told me he was adding information to his web site in the next week.

Originally posted by Kevin Sheldahl:
I would highly recomend that you look at the Dogtra 1100 or 1200.
Bar none it is the best product on the market today.

***** I wrote a review of the Dogtra 1200 NCP on this forum. It's at
http://www.leerburg.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000004

I agree with Kevin. I'm recommending the 1200 to all my clients now.

Thank you, I will look into it, but I have a feeling that it's over $500 and I can't afford that right now. Unfortunately. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I will certainly look into it though.

Phyllis,

Look at the Dogtra web site, they have several collars for under $500.

Phyllis

I use and sell a DOGTRA 1100 collar. It sells for $300.00 and has the following features:
- 1/2 mile range - All Digital system (not analoge)
- Waterproof dog collar
- Internal antenna on collar
- Very small transmitter - with lanyard to hang around neck
- Rheostat dial on transitter to increase or lower stimulation from transmitter (over 60 levels of shock)
- Both “NICK” & “CONSTANT” stimulation
- Rechargeable Ni-MH batteries that are user replaceable

There is a DOGTRA 1200NC that sells for $350.00
- Comes in one or two dog models

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Originally posted by Phyllis:
I'm wondering if they all shut off after 10 seconds, how do you do the continuous low level until the dog does what it is supposed to. i.e. hold the object, or return to the desired area.

Phyllis I guess I missed this part of your question and it's central to what you want to do.

To start a dog on the recall I use a Flexi Leash (Sorry Donn) to guide the dog into the right area. But for most other training, I use a regular old 6' leash.

It's very rare that I need to stim a dog for longer than the ten seconds that most collars allow before they shut off. My technique, if the dog hasn't gotten into the right place after about 6 seconds, is to "bounce" on and off the button as quickly as I can. I lift my finger and get right back on the button as quickly as I can move it. That resets the timer so it gives you another ten seconds. You can keep doing this for as long as you. But if you need more than a couple of "bounces" there's something wrong.

You should be guiding the dog into the right area or movement to allow him to shut off the stim.

Hi Lou,
I'm curious what the benefit is to your recall method over using motivation to teach the recall and then low stim to inforce if they deviate? I'm new to the ecollar, so I have lots of newbie questions.

Phyllis,
I just got the Dogtra 2002NC and think it is GREAT! I did a whole bunch of homework before deciding on Dogtra and honestly believe they have the best product available.

Cheers,
Magnus

Originally posted by Magnus:
Hi Lou,
I'm curious what the benefit is to your recall method over using motivation to teach the recall and then low stim to inforce if they deviate? I'm new to the ecollar, so I have lots of newbie questions.


The benefit is reliability. Motivation only, in the face of heavy distraction, is only 80–90% reliable. Using the Ecollar to teach the recall rather than just enforce it means that it’s more reliable, approaching 100% with one command and at 100% with a couple of commands, if they’re needed.

Keep in mind that I’m working with mostly dogs that have received some kind of training before they’ve gotten to me. Most of the dogs that I’ve trained for police work have been imported from Europe where they’ve been trained in some sport, SchH, Ring, Knpv, etc. As such I have no idea as to what their foundation training was. So I just start with the Ecollar and the recall to establish a new base of work with the Ecollar.

I use the recall when I out the dog from a bite. I want him to return to the handler and so I want 100% reliability for that. I think that working dog handlers need two bombproof commands. Bombproof meaning that the dog obeys NO MATTER WHAT. One is the recall and the other is a stationary position such as a sit or a down. And so I use the Ecollar to teach those commands rather than start them some other way and then use the Ecollar for just reinforce it.

How important do you think it is to have the paging feature on the Dogtra collar? I've been using the tone on my TT for the recall. But the 1100 is only 300.00 and the 1200NC is 350.00. Lou and Ed, do you use this feature a lot? Since my dog is collar conditioned, and I've never had this feature available, it may not be worth the extra money. Also, the 1100 transmitter is not water resistant, correct? Still a 50.00 or 100.00 savings is a lot. So I wonder how much I'd be sacrificing by going with one of these models.