I use my collar both ways. I use stimulation then command, end stimulation when dog obeys for training and I use a momentary "nick" to reinforce commands the dog already knows.
i'm not fully understanding the question, but i will say that no two dogs are alike and their responses will be different. i have one dog that is 99% trained with positive motivation, and a negative to her is a sharp, verbal "no". i have another dog that will work for food. if the food's there. but for reliability, there better be serious consequences if he fails to obey.
so it depends a lot on your dog. if unsure, have someone experienced in electric training work with you.
and i always make sure i have a leash/long line on the dog when i introduce electric correction, so i can physically back up the correction by showing the dog what he was supposed to do.
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I think that it really depends on the dog. Most of the time I think that continuing stimulation until the dog obeys is more effective. However, I worked a GSD (German show lines) bitch that was quite a nervous dog and she would freak out with the continuous stimulation so we had to use momentary on her. Try both, see which works better for your dog.
Still not a straight answer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> but it's the best that I can give you.
They serve 2 totally different purposes. 1 (negative reinforcement) is to teach and the other (positive punishment) is to back up what you've already established. No matter what, for maintenance after the behavior is established you should end up in positive punishment.
Originally posted by VanCamp: Val give me an example of that in practice.
Let's use the famous negative reinforcement example of the forced retrieve. You have the aversive and the dumbell/pvc pipe, whatever. At first the dog does not know what a dumbell means at all. So you say "bring" and at the same time stimulate with the aversive trying to shove the dumbell in the dogs mouth. Once dog has the dumbell in mouth stimulation ends. After a few repitiions depending on stress levels, dog learns that the only way to turn off the stimulation is by grabbing the dumbell. Once that is solid (generalization done) you eventually end up where you tell the dog "bring" without stimulation and out of fear drive the dog goes and gets the dumbell. If the dog gets the dumbell then he does not receive the aversive if he doesn't get the dumbell then that is where you go to avoidance conditioning/P+ by backing up what you've already taught him. makes sense?
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