Christi Coufal wrote 04/05/2012 06:50 AM Cheap is not better #358401 - 04/05/2012 06:50 AM
Christi Coufal Webboard User Reg: 08-12-2011 Posts: 72 Loc: Offline	My friend made a 25 minute trip to the vet in 11 minutes! Instead of her, from the vet topical flea and tick treatment, she bought Pet Armour from Walmart. Her elderly daschund had a severe allergic reaction. The dog's ears, mouth and abdomen were bright red and she was screaming. The vet had shots waiting when she arrived. He sent them home with oral meds and instructions for a cool bath to take down the temp. Flossie is now resting fitfully but has blisters all in her mouth. The vet said "you get what you pay for". Of course when she read the label it said made in china. I took this opportunity to discuss dog food ingredients and general health.
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Betty Landercasp wrote 04/05/2012 07:47 AM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Christi Coufal ] #358402 - 04/05/2012 07:47 AM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	China has a thriving pharmaceutical industry. In our large animal dairy practice we used to buy bulk gentamicin and chloramphenicol (antibiotics) from Taiwan and brew them up into products for calves with diarrhea and cows with udder infection. These potent drugs were the magic bullet on farms where the cattle had only ever seen penicillin and a little sulfa for diseases. We stopped that in the early 90s----largely because a veterinarian went to jail for doing it, but also because we became concerned about the quality of the products imported. Oversight seems to be lacking there -- not sure there is any FDA equivalent. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Tracy Collins wrote 04/05/2012 08:59 AM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Christi Coufal ] #358403 - 04/05/2012 08:59 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	There was a not unrelated bit in the NYTimes this morning about chickens that caught my eye. The gist of the piece (link below) is about recent testing of "chicken feather meal" aka "chicken by-product meal" that shows it is routinely contaminated with a long list of drugs including banned antibiotics, and (surprisingly) things like Benadryl, Tylenol, Prozac and arsenic. They tested the feather meal because it was a way to show what substances had bed fed, even though those substances didn't show up in the meat. (?) And although the article didn't get into this, My first thought was, "that's the crap they put in cheap dog food!" link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/opinion/kristof-arsenic-in-our-chicken.html Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/05/2012 10:25 AM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #358405 - 04/05/2012 10:25 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Betty Landercasp .... we became concerned about the quality of the products imported. Oversight seems to be lacking there ... http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=31390&page=1#350118 http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=30242&page=1#336395 Not to mention the terrible 2006 industry-wide recall (and all the deaths) triggered by pet foods containing melamine-tainted gluten from China. After 2006 and then the exposes in 2007 of the corruption-riddled inspection process in China, I don't buy anything (food, meds, treats) that's not made here. (In any discount drugstore, check the labels on virtually every bag of pet treats: Made in China.)
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Joe Waddington wrote 04/05/2012 10:42 AM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Christi Coufal ] #358406 - 04/05/2012 10:42 AM
Joe Waddington Webboard User Reg: 09-02-2009 Posts: 581 Loc: Ca Offline	I won't use cheap over the counter flea products ever again and that goes for many items, just because they sell it doesn't make it safe. Years ago before I did any researching on products I foolishly used an over the counter flea repellent on my cat, what a mistake. Seconds after applying the this cancer my cat started to twitch and shake so I quickly washed it off. As I was washing it off clumps of hair were coming off in my hands, I thought I might have just killed cat thankfully she survived but damage done. I was really pissed at myself for that and now research everything that I may be giving to my animals.
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Joyce Salazar wrote 04/05/2012 11:21 AM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #358408 - 04/05/2012 11:21 AM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	I can't stress enough the importance of staying away from anything coming from China. The mystery behind these tainted chicken jerky strips is still continuing, but buyer be warned of the facts. I highly recommend everyone read the article below which is the FDA response AND watch the video response of Susan Thixton, and make your own informed decision on what you think. FDA Response: http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/fda-provides-q--a-regarding-jerky-treats-from-china.html And Susan Thixton's (From Truth About Pet Food) response http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/response-to-fda-pet-food-video.html For me personally, I feel that the FDA is completely broken and in my opinion can't be trusted. Like so many of our government entities, are painfully allowing crap to pass with flying colors. To me, this is beyond unacceptable , it is down right criminal! But, it's up to everyone to be their own and their pets best advocate. Ever since my dogs were greatly effected by these chicken jerky treats, I check labels and refuse to feed anything coming from China. I agree 200% with Connie. Also, thanks Tracy for the link above you provided. I greatly appreciate you posting that, I will be passing this along to many people I know. Joyce Salazar
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Melissa Hoyer wrote 04/05/2012 11:31 AM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Christi Coufal ] #358409 - 04/05/2012 11:31 AM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	This post just hits home with me... I have been doing everything in my power to minimize using anything commercial with my dogs...I feed a raw diet where I know the source of the ingredients. I have essentially left commercial dog treats behind...especially now that my mom is in the "dog treat business" officially. I just don't trust any of the products out there...sad, but true!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/05/2012 12:02 PM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Christi Coufal ] #358412 - 04/05/2012 12:02 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I will add that I will never ever buy anything from Hartz Mountain. There isn't room here for all the material I've plowed through about their products. There are a few companies I trust. None of them import ingredients.
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Joyce Salazar wrote 04/05/2012 12:30 PM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #358415 - 04/05/2012 12:30 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	I think the key is doing your own research before you feed anything or use something, like flea treatments etc. Finding out where things are sourced from is huge. Many things appear to be safe, and then you find out the hard way. Unfortunately, many are all too trusting until their pet ends up very sick or worse. It is sad that we can't have that kind of trust anymore. I know I sound like the ultimate skeptic, but I have good reason. Even our own FDA whose job is to protect appears to be terribly broken. I have lost trust in that completely. Look at all the drug recalls for humans. All of them had been passed by the FDA, that tells you a lot right there. How could they pass when there were such terrible side effects? Just saying, you have to ask yourself that question. Joyce Salazar
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Mara Jessup wrote 04/05/2012 08:14 PM Re: Cheap is not better [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #358443 - 04/05/2012 08:14 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: Joyce Salazar I think the key is doing your own research before you feed anything or use something, like flea treatments etc. Finding out where things are sourced from is huge. Many things appear to be safe, and then you find out the hard way. This^^ Because high cost is no guarantee of quality either. <insert at least a dozen high priced name brand kibbles here> And it bugs me to no end that some high priced prescription only meds are marked up like crazy for the pet market. K-9 Knitter
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