Actually, my 1 year old Dutch Shepherd knows the drop it command very well. Aragon will drop almost anything if I tell him too, except his frisbee. When you get Aragon's frisbee out everything else in the world doesn't matter to him. I could be holding a T-bone steak in one hand and the frisbee in the other and he would never give the steak a sniff. I'm pretty sure if I threw this frisbee off of a cliff he would jump right off that cliff after it and never even think twice about it. All this drive for this frisbee made it really easy to teach him to catch it and he is really impressive at catching his frisbee. But I can't for the life of me get him to drop it on command. He drops balls or his kong without a problem and he outs very well when playing tug but you pull out his frisbee it's like I flipped a switch on my dog and the only thing in the world that he cares about is that frisbee. He reminds me of Davids description of Fama and her ball that she is rewarded with.

I've obviously tried marker trainging him to drop the frisbee. It worked well with getting him to drop every other object but there isn't a high enough value food in this world that will get him to take his attention off of the frisbee. Even when he does eventually drop the frisbee and I try to praise him and give him a piece of steak he just ignores it and me while focusing on his frisbee. The E-Collar doesn't have any effect unless I turned it up so high that I hurt him and I don't want to do that. I can take his air away and he will drop it but I usually don't like doing that either. Though it doesn't seem to really bother him at all.

So does anyone have any suggestions to help me get Aragon to drop his frisbee on command? This is my first Dutch Shepherd and my first dog that had more toy drive than food drive so this is all pretty new to me. Thanks!

Turn the ecollar up high enough that it hurts him. How else do you expect it to be a correction? He'll get the picture.

One Idea would be to get another identical frisbee and make a trade for outing it. Have you ever seen two ball played?

Have you ever been able to immobilize it, like the tug till he outs it?

In keeping with Steve's suggestions, once he will out it for the trade, start using another frisbee toss as the reward, instead of just a trade. My dog was much more inclined to out once she realized the game wasn't over and she would get another crack at playing. It actually keeps 'em coming back.

Ah, see, two ball/trades didn't work for Danni. If she had what she wanted she wasn't coming back for anything.

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Ah, see, two ball/trades didn't work for Danni. If she had what she wanted she wasn't coming back for anything.

I take it that you had to use a long line?

Long line and a pinch, yes. For recalls an ecollar.

And to be clear, in case there is some confusion about it, I'm not recommending the OP turn up the electric all the way and start frying the dog.

To me, the dog understands out, and needs a proper correction. Assuming it's been conditioned properly and understands the stim as a correction, I don't see a problem with it. Danni is a hard dog. Unless I get a yelp out of her with a stim she'll blow me off.

I taught out with a pinch collar, both on toys and on the helper.

Katie;

If there's a motivational method that the OP hasn't tried, wouldn't trying it before going to corrections be a good option?

IMHO, he hasn't exhausted all of his options yet.

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... So does anyone have any suggestions to help me get Aragon to drop his frisbee on command? This is my first Dutch Shepherd and my first dog that had more toy drive than food drive so this is all pretty new to me. Thanks!

He is retrieving it, right, and returning to you with it?

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One Idea would be to get another identical frisbee and make a trade for outing it. Have you ever seen two ball played?

Have you ever been able to immobilize it, like the tug till he outs it?

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In keeping with Steve's suggestions, once he will out it for the trade, start using another frisbee toss as the reward, instead of just a trade. My dog was much more inclined to out once she realized the game wasn't over and she would get another crack at playing. It actually keeps 'em coming back.

http://leerburg.com/qarecall.htm?set=1

Scroll down to this question (and the answer). It's the first question.

Question:

I want to train my lab to retrieve frisbees, tennis balls, etc. She loves retrieving, but also likes playing games of not giving it up to me when she returns. Would the forced retrieve video that you well be a good idea, or is it really intended for competition dogs?