 Going around the H&Safety reg in UK with RAW?
#364058 - 07/17/2012 11:17 AM |
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I personally am pulling my hair out of my head with the regulations when it comes to trying to buy RAW materials from abattoirs in Wales. I phoned up few and asked if they could sell me some left over RMB and was told "can't do due Health and Safety regulations"  on top of which most butchers don't do their own butchering anymore they just buy the stuff bagged up (and wont have anything to "waste"}. Luckily I have found 1 that does and who is now gathering me bags of little weird bloody bits that people dont want lol.(knee joints, necks n stuff im not going to even try and quess from which part of the body they came from)
Has anyone got any suggestions on where to get hold of RMB? or have found a "loop hole" to go around the H&S when dealing with abattoirs?
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#364059 - 07/17/2012 11:33 AM |
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Chicken backs!
"RMBs" (raw meaty bones) are the basis of the diet for me. Chicken backs make a good basis.
I add protein variety via the MM, yogurt, and occasional canned mackerel, egg, etc.
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#364060 - 07/17/2012 11:44 AM |
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yes well, Chicken back's fall into the same area when it comes to getting hold of them in here im affraid. Like i said in my post 90% of the butchers atleast in the area where I live dont have any "waste", they buy their stuff bagged up from abattoir. the one I found does have some from time to time, but I shutter of the idea trying to find another one when/if move away from here.
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#364061 - 07/17/2012 11:51 AM |
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What about just buying whole chickens? (or turkeys, or lambs, or a whole brisket, slab of ribs, shoulder roast...)
If your family eats meat, remove the choice parts for yourselves--then the rest of the carcass is dog food.
It's really not difficult to cut up meat.
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#364062 - 07/17/2012 11:56 AM |
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Someone is butchering the chickens. 
And restaurants buy big boxes of frozen backs to make stock. That means someone is boxing up and freezing them and trucking them out.
Some supermarkets do parts of their butchering, too. That is, they may get some of their birds whole to decide which they need more of: the typical 8-piece cut (2 wings, 2 thighs, 2 drumsticks, 2 breast halves, with the back into a bag called "soup chicken, and some for the ones they sell as "broiler halves" and "chicken leg quarters" and breast quarters." You have to get the guy from the back room, though, maybe with a request to cut a big steak into fajita meat or something. Then talk about backs.
Also, I buy whole chickens on sale and hack them up myself.
Any ethnic groceries?
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#364063 - 07/17/2012 11:59 AM |
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What about just buying whole chickens? (or turkeys, or lambs, or a whole brisket, slab of ribs, shoulder roast...)
Also, I just realized that this was about feeding puppies (we're in the puppy section).
Mystery leavings that I don't know whether it's meat or bone, for me, makes a puppy diet too random.
There is nowhere near the wiggle room between calcium and phosphorus (among other things) in a puppy diet that there is in an adult's diet.
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#364064 - 07/17/2012 11:59 AM |
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I suppose I could try and find a willing farmer who would sell me a whole sheep and get it chopped up by them/abattoir.. I shall have a look into that cheers
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#364067 - 07/17/2012 12:08 PM |
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Someone is butchering the chickens.
And restaurants buy big boxes of frozen backs to make stock. That means someone is boxing up and freezing them and trucking them out.
Yes the abattoirs are  the issue as far as I can tell is that as beeing a prite person the Health and Safety maddness (and it is maddness in the UK) kicks in and they cannot sell these things unless you are registered Food outlet and for which you need a license.
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#364068 - 07/17/2012 12:53 PM |
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.... I'd like there to be move variety and not just chicken/turkey RMB's.
I add protein variety via the MM, yogurt, the occasional canned mackerel, egg, etc., etc.
MANY people base the RMBs on poultry. Neither backs nor necks will suffice without added MM, and that's where great variety can be introduced. Even some of your organ meat can be from other animals besides poultry. It's a tiny part of the diet, but it's still an opportunity to add variety. (I often use a combo of beef and chicken liver.)
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#364075 - 07/17/2012 02:25 PM |
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Connie's idea about an ethnic grocery is a good one.
Also, I think having an idea of what (specifically) you're looking for will help in the search. IMO, you're not necessarily looking for "scraps." I can understand any company's hesitation to sell you what is essentially their garbage, and you probably wouldn't want it anyway.
Everything I feed my dogs is food that is sold for human consumption (not that I'd eat much of it, but still, it is human-grade food.)
You're just looking for the cheaper, lower-grade CUTS of meat---not a lower grade of meat.
Hocks, trotters, necks, lamb "flaps," tongue, heart, kidney----those are all parts that somebody is selling for humans to eat. Because they do eat them. You may just be in a store that doesn't cater to the kinds of people that eat those parts.
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