 Problem with leash pressure
#364949 - 08/06/2012 04:18 PM |
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I've been working with my friends dog on competition heeling. I bought the Michael Ellis dvd on fcused heeling, and everything was going well till I got to the leash pressure. She does good with almost all directions except going back. Every time I try to get her to give in to the back pressure she will sit down, and wont budge. I've tried waiting her out, but she wont give. I've also tried adding a little more pressure, but doesn't seem to work either. I ended the session when it looked like she was shutting down. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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#364952 - 08/06/2012 10:27 PM |
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I've been working with my friends dog on competition heeling. I bought the Michael Ellis dvd on fcused heeling, and everything was going well till I got to the leash pressure. She does good with almost all directions except going back. Every time I try to get her to give in to the back pressure she will sit down, and wont budge. I've tried waiting her out, but she wont give. I've also tried adding a little more pressure, but doesn't seem to work either. I ended the session when it looked like she was shutting down. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Coincidentally, I've been noting points in that DVD for an owner who is just beginning "back."
Have you watched the whole DVD? I ask this because many of the most important points about "back" come after 100.
How old is the dog? Have you worked with her before with other stuff? Is she familiar with marker training? Are you using food rewards?
Are you standing still? Are you sure not to lift up on the leash?
Can someone film a little of the training and you link us to it?
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#364953 - 08/06/2012 06:45 PM |
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You can marker train her to back up by playing with her. Click, or use yes, and treat,for a step back. After a few correct single steps back add a word, or hand signal, for the behavior. When she knows the behavior I would add a loose leash to begin heeling and not pull her back since she seems to be sensitive to the pressure. You should be able to phase out the signal for back as she becomes use to the heeling routine. Have fun she will get it.
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#364977 - 08/06/2012 09:08 PM |
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What I found pretty helpful for backing up Andy, didnt have anything to do with the leash pressure, but teaching him to move his rear end when his front feet are on a drain pan. Hind end awarness. I think its on the heeling video? If not a forum member who went to M.Ellis's school posted some vids of her teaching it to her dog.
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#364983 - 08/06/2012 10:34 PM |
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What I found pretty helpful for backing up Andy, didnt have anything to do with the leash pressure, but teaching him to move his rear end when his front feet are on a drain pan. Hind end awarness.
Well, this probably is not it, but related ..... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkUjfoPYX4c
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#364984 - 08/06/2012 10:41 PM |
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#364990 - 08/06/2012 11:41 PM |
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I've been working with my friends dog on competition heeling. I bought the Michael Ellis dvd on fcused heeling, and everything was going well till I got to the leash pressure. She does good with almost all directions except going back. Every time I try to get her to give in to the back pressure she will sit down, and wont budge. I've tried waiting her out, but she wont give. I've also tried adding a little more pressure, but doesn't seem to work either. I ended the session when it looked like she was shutting down. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Coincidentally, I've been noting points in that DVD for an owner who is just beginning "back."
Have you watched the whole DVD? I ask this because many of the most important points about "back" come after 100.
How old is the dog? Have you worked with her before with other stuff? Is she familiar with marker training? Are you using food rewards?
Are you standing still? Are you sure not to lift up on the leash?
Can someone film a little of the training and you link us to it?
I haven't watched the whole dvd, but I've watched up to where Michael talks about starting to use toys. Unless there's another part on leash pressure, then I've watched the whole lesh pressure 2x
She's 5 years old. I've worked on engagement, downs, sit and stand (the stand i jsut started teaching her). I have pretty good engagemet from her, and does understant marker training. I have the other dvd's about marker training. I am using food rewards. she's very food motivated. She's very happy with the training until I tried working on the leash pressure to get her to go back
Yes,I'm standing still. I pull back on the leash, and make sure I'm not pulling up
I tried to post a video online, bt it always says the file is too big. I tried doing it with my Galaxy S2. I'll try to figure it out and post the video as soon as I can
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#364991 - 08/07/2012 10:28 AM |
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If the dog sits when you put leash pressure on it I'm guessing that the dog was taught to sit with the leash?? Adding more pressure will only cause an opposition reflex.
I do a lot of wood working and have sheets of plywood in the work shop. A couple of sheets of these that are just wide enough for the dog to walk through are used to teach a back up. ANY narrow spot will work the same.
Call the dog through a few times to make sure it's not uncomfortable with it. If the dog is ok then simply block the dogs path. Step towards it. When the dog backs up them mark and reward. Add the command after it starts moving as soon as you step towards it. Stop stepping towards it when it starts responding to the command.
IF your marker work is correct this shouldn't take any time at all.
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#365013 - 08/07/2012 10:49 AM |
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Ditto Victoria and Bob...
If the dog is familiar with leash pressure, pulling back on the leash will confuse him.
I love Bob's idea, because it combines two of the steps I used. I did it by first teaching hind-end awareness, then teaching a back by simply walking toward my dog until she had to back up, and marking. Hind-end awareness was the key, because it allowed her to back without losing focus.
When that was good, I started heeling next to walls, fences, etc, as Michael does in his videos, so that she learned to stay in position. I also do a lot of one step back and forth with my left leg while my right stays still to reinforce proper position
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#365024 - 08/07/2012 12:37 PM |
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What Bob said.... That is how we trained Eddie to back up on command.
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