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#365685 - 08/22/2012 02:21 PM |
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How do you manage interactions between a new full of beans HUGE pup and a way smaller until now in charge of everything adult?
The Pinker is starting to get intimidated by the size and force of the pup. I manage eating separate, make them sit before doors and gates and getting in vehicles, have Pinker go first. But there are a zillion other interactions.
Do I enforce rank ? Or try to?
Basically I've been trying to keep pup from being rude and Pinker from getting pissy.
Tips?
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Re: New Pup
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#365690 - 08/22/2012 03:25 PM |
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Its basically what you're doing Betty, to me any way. I use leave it, but any general knock it off command to keep the puppy from pestering the older dog too much and then I like a sort of general place command, settle. Thats just lay down where you are or where I tell you.
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#365693 - 08/22/2012 05:06 PM |
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I don't know if Pinker necessarily needs to go first (not an expert though) If it were me, I'd be concerned with enforcing their rank concerning you being on top but trying to make it clear that neither of them is higher than the other so noone attempts to be your corrective sidekick 
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#365704 - 08/22/2012 10:28 PM |
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I've been fortunate when I've brought in a new pup in that the older dog(s) have always been confident. I let the dogs teach the pup the dog rules as long as there is no real aggression involved and all.
In a situation where either is uncomfortable with the situation I would be sure and get the pia one under control.
I would also NOT let the insecure dog do any corrections because they will be done out of stress and not a true social interaction.
I do get A lot of $#!+ from a lot of dog owners that tell me I'm wrong in allowing dogs to correct dogs but it's worked for me for many, many yrs with multiple dogs.
The only time it was an issue was with a JRT and one of my present GSDs. That was a nerve/temperament issue with the JRT and I knew that from the get go.
Understanding each dogs temperament, strength and weakness, is key.
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#365723 - 08/23/2012 01:36 PM |
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The dog's temperaments could not be more different. Pinker is bossy, and very serious. He does not "play" with objects, has never chewed up anything. He is at my side or watching outdoors always. Pinker has 0 sense of humor.
The farm collie is silly, joyful, wants loving 24/7. He can take a hard physical correction ( smacked with a stock stick for chasing a chicken) and not get sulky.
The pup has "eye", he stares at Pinker like a pointer on a bird. Like for minutes at a time. This is the interaction I am most concerned about.
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#365737 - 08/23/2012 04:31 PM |
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Betty,
If your primary concern is the "eye" issue, I would start working (using markers) on focus with him. When he is focusing on you, he can not stare at Pinker. I know he is still a pup but they can learn this early if you really work on it.
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#365745 - 08/23/2012 07:37 PM |
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I've tried that, in fact I've done it so much and with the wrong timing that I'm afraid the pup thinks this behavior itself has been marked and treated.
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#365746 - 08/23/2012 08:15 PM |
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Verbal correction "eh, eh", redirections, time outs in a crate. Leave a drag line on it and give him a tug if he doesn't respond to the "eh-eh" Basically stay on top of it and don't allow it. It is much easier said than done, but they're quick learners and and it shouldn't take too long to get your point across if you're consistent.
Personally I wouldn't be teaching focus on you instead with him because as a future stockdog this can lead to a whole new set of issues when you start him on stock.
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#365748 - 08/24/2012 11:26 AM |
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Betty, how old is the puppy again?
Not working with stock yet, right? And not with Pinker there?
I wanted to add that I'm with Bob about not letting Pinker correct .... QUOTE: "I would also NOT let the insecure dog do any corrections because they will be done out of stress and not a true social interaction."
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Any pics up anywhere yet?
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#365751 - 08/24/2012 11:27 AM |
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Sorry Betty, I have no experience training stock dogs (my grandfather had a ton of it). I just recommended what would be my ordinary strategy for his issue. I haven't been on here for some time and didn't know what you are doing with him.
However, generally speaking, make sure that there are no distractions (especially Pinker) when you are beginning to train him. I am mentioning this because you said that the problem behavior itself has been marked and treated ... this seems to infer that Pinker is present during training.
Have fun on your adventure, he sounds like a great pup!
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