Carol Blumlein wrote 10/27/2012 02:02 PM Quiet Command? #368544 - 10/27/2012 02:02 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Forgive me if this has been asked before. But... how do I teach the "quiet command" to my 10 month old GSD? I don't know if there's a "best" way, but any help would be appreciated.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2012 02:29 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368546 - 10/27/2012 02:29 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Many say to teach bark, then no bark. I've found that sometimes to be a case of "careful what you wish for." Is it a case of long barkfests, barking at the door, barking to go out, what? For example, with a dog who barks to come out of his crate, I've been known to stand there like a statue, looking slightly away, zero attention, until there is a second of silence (like when the dog pauses to think "WTF?") and I INSTANTLY mark, open the crate, reward right away ..... all really one fluid motion, unmistakably tied to the pause in the barking. So ..... more details. The basics are the same (unless it's a warning bark for people outside), but how you begin might vary from cause to cause. JMO! I've taught a lot of No Bark! lol PS I don't teach Bark, however; if I did, I might name No Bark differently (less confusingly).
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2012 02:33 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368548 - 10/27/2012 02:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	PS #2 I've seen many good "quiet" threads here, so you'll probably gets more (better!) answers.
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Joe Waddington wrote 10/27/2012 07:37 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368559 - 10/27/2012 07:37 PM
Joe Waddington Webboard User Reg: 09-02-2009 Posts: 581 Loc: Ca Offline	Trying to curtail the normal component of the dog to fit into the human world, not simple, but for the quickest result yelling at the top of your lungs SHUT UP! Kidding that won't work may cause fear and break the bond though. Commitment, dedication, patience. I taught speak first then the quiet command, timing is crucial like Connie said the split second they pause mark reward, I think I rewarded many barks at first marking a bark instead of the silence. Now I allow a bit of barking to go on and don't immediately try to stop it, I'll go to see whats the commotion let her know its OK and if she persists after quiet I'll redirect her away from the trigger.
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ian bunbury wrote 10/27/2012 11:48 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368568 - 10/27/2012 11:48 PM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	in the same session i teach " speak " , with hand signal ( typical yapping fingers / thumb opening closing ) , mark , reward . i do several repetitions , then immediately follow with " quiet " , paired with finger on mouth . he complies , i follow with holding his muzzle , mark and reward . again several reps then replay the whole procedure . dogs : the best part of being human
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Carol Blumlein wrote 10/28/2012 12:46 AM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368569 - 10/28/2012 12:46 AM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Thanks for your replies! I am a little leery of teaching "bark" since he has an incredibly strong, loud one!! LOL! I am referring to the "warning barks" after I have determined it is OK. So.. woof, woof woof ... enough "Quiet".
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/28/2012 11:02 AM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368574 - 10/28/2012 11:02 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Here are a couple of threads I found. Since search on the board has become so wonky, I had to use my name, so you'll find my same advice in each one, but plenty of others' better suggestions as well. http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=29044&page=1 http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=28274&page=1#306418 http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=28600&page=1#311031
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ian bunbury wrote 10/28/2012 11:01 AM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368576 - 10/28/2012 11:01 AM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	carol , my point about teaching the bark is so you then have some control of it , in that he understands that sometimes you will ask for it ( a rewardable behaviour ) but he also knows that the opposite is also a rewardable behaviour . at our ( CARDA ) courses i see so many handlers who wind up screaming ( shut up , quiet , etc ) at their excited barking dogs , and the dog has absolutely no clue what the handler means because they've never heard it before . better to teach the dog what you want beforehand so that you have some expectation that the dog will comply . dogs : the best part of being human
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/28/2012 11:10 AM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368577 - 10/28/2012 11:10 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Well ...... if you want a non-barker and have a non-barker, I leave it alone. Lol When I mention it back-firing, I always mean "if the dog is now a non-barker." Barking is pretty self-rewarding, I think. Carol doesn't have a non-barker, though, so that avenue sounds good to me. Big ditto to Ian on not adding human "barking" to a bark-fest. Screaming at excited barking dogs, IMO, does not do at all what the screamer wants. If the dog already does bark (or if you're going to teach bark and quiet), it's a process, and it requires absolute consistency. I reward quiet well and I'm very consistent about checking (see the links I provided) on what they are barking at and assuring them that I looked, and it's OK. To me, this is a special command because, as mentioned, barking is so much fun even with no reward from the human. It's not one of the "will extinguish if not rewarded" behaviors because it's rewarding in and of itself.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/28/2012 11:16 AM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: ian bunbury ] #368578 - 10/28/2012 11:16 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ian bunbury in the same session i teach " speak " , with hand signal ( typical yapping fingers / thumb opening closing ) , mark , reward . i do several repetitions , then immediately follow with " quiet " , paired with finger on mouth . he complies , i follow with holding his muzzle , mark and reward . again several reps then replay the whole procedure . Do you also do the "come and check and give an OK" for alert barking?
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