I have a 3 year old rottweiler who we are currently doing a forced retrieve with.He does fine picking the dumbell up off the ground while back tied but he tends to pick it up by the end when doing a formal retrieve.Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks
Dont let him pick it up by the end. Make the ends inaccessable. Put something over the ends, or have some one put there feet on the ends. Or better yet, while forcing, set him up to take it by the end and continue the presure with a "no" command. When he regripes to the bar reward.
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Now I understand.
Well, you're already doing a forced retrieve. . .so. . .as much as I don't like to do that.
I'd put an e-collar on the dog, that way you can continue to apply the ouch till the dog is correct, throughout the exercise.
Pretty simple, step back in training and apply the stim only when he grasps it correctly, work through your progression to the field and and actual toss. . .taking care to only stop the stim when he grabs the sucker the correct way. . .and setting up opportunities for him to fail along the way.
He has to learn that gripping the bar is the ONLY way to end the stim.
I've also seen people wrap the ends in chicken wire or anything to make it unpleasant for the dog to mouth. It just has to be done for a long enough period to keep the dog from getting wise to the wire.
Unforunately not all dogs can be taught a motivational retrieve. I tried with my dog, and sometimes he would pick up the dumbell, and sometimes he would not. I also tried rewarding him with the ball after he was successful, but once he knew I had the ball, forget it, no more retrieves for him. I worked on a forced retrieve for two days, and I hate to say it, it was ugly ugly training and not at all my preference. However, now I have a dog that runs to the dumbell picks it up "everytime" and brings it back perfectly. Now I can reward him with the ball and still get several more repetitions in with the dumbell and there is no conflict. I absolutely try to train with motivation when at all possible. My dog has learned that he does not have a choice. If I throw the dumbell he WILL get it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
The thing with this dog is through all aspects of tracking, obedience, and protection he has been SO incredibly easy to train. I have never seen a Rottie so trainable. This so called "forced retrieve" has been anything but forced. He just kind of "got it" the first two to three times working on it. He grabs it (in the middle every time), holds it calmly and outs, no problem. Just one time when I went the next step to throwing it, he picked it up on the end and I stopped there. Wanted some input and haven't been able to make it to training in a few weeks and was just asking. I was told could use the dumbbell with the dowel rods sticking out of the end so he has to pick it up in the middle.
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