How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
#378337 - 05/24/2013 01:54 AM |
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After following Willie Tilton's valuable suggestions and being very happy with the results I also learned a great deal by everybody’s suggestions and knowledge since I started my first thread about my Kuvasz pup. It shows that sharing ideas is priceless.....I would be very interested to learn more and knowing about other's experiences. I also think it could be very beneficial to many. What had worked for you and your high prey drive large breed pup?
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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#378353 - 05/24/2013 10:21 AM |
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I think that you need to be more specific in what you are asking....
What worked with regard to what scenario....walking down the steet, at the park with other dogs,a chipmonk running past you, the cat that lives in your home...etc.etc.etc.
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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Manage in regards to jumping and nipping/play biting at hands and arms.
She has been trying to redirect the dog to a toy but pup wants to chew on Solange. Not aggression based at all or even dominant. Just wild pup being excited. And 65lbs.
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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#378362 - 05/24/2013 12:33 PM |
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If she's biting me instead of the toy while playing, because she's excited and not real clear on how to play, I'm going to say No firmly, down her while I stand there. Then we'll try again. If I think she's too amped up to make it clear, I'll crate her and try again in a few minutes.
If she's just biting me for the sake of biting me, I'm going to correct her for it. Not a huge production, not going all leader of the pack on her, but a clear firm correction.
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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I do the same thing that Steve does.
Sometimes redirecting can be as easy as finding the toy that they really like & that will interest them enough to redirect to it.
Some dogs really like tugs others a kong or ball on a rope etc.
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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#378377 - 05/24/2013 02:10 PM |
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some things I've done in this situation (not every technique works for every dog):
For a young puppy that hasn't quite figured out bite inhibition, I've been known to try a loud, high-pitched YELP--but you've got to be a good actor. Too little, and it seems like you want to play more. Done correctly, you startle the pup, and send a strong signal that says "that hurt!" (and then you turn your back on the pup, walk away (I'm not playing with you any more.) I want my dogs to believe that human skin is so sensitive that even putting a tooth on it causes pain. With some of my puppies this has worked. Depends on the pup.
Option 2: Shun without the yelp. This pushy mouthiness is an invitation to play. Which is all fine and good, but YOU should be the one initiating when to play, and how to play. Whenever the dog decides "I want you to play with me!"--you pretend the dog is invisible. Say nothing, turn your back, walk away, This only works if you can maintain it. If after the second or third attempt to engage you, you break down and acknowledge the dog (even by yelling at him--then he's gotten what he wanted--your attention.)
Option 3: Find more opportunities to play with the dog on your terms. You initiate frequent games (fetch, tug, whatever the game is)--but only when you want to. Some pups need more active play than others. If yours is pestering you to play all the time, he needs more activity. But you always decide when to play, what game to play, you own all the toys, and you decide when playtime is over.
These are all puppy techniques. For an older dog that's being pushy (or careless with his mouth while playing) that deserves a correction--precisely as Steve S. says. But before you can correct a dog for mouthing you, you have to have trained the puppy that this is not a behavior you will accept. And I prefer to find ways that get the pup to figure out the value of self-control, versus me having to punish for normal (but unwanted) behaviors.
So--if you think your pup/dog already knows this, correct it. If not, it's an opportunity for him to learn what behaviors will get results with you, and which do not work. Dogs will not continue to attempt behaviors that do not get the results they are after. They may try something else... ![;) smiley for ;)](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) but they eventually abandon behaviors that aren't reinforced.
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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Thanks everyone for the replies and ideas. All good.
Tracy. The pup does not know this yet. Great post. I know Solange will get bunches out of everyone's input.
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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#378417 - 05/25/2013 12:26 AM |
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Thanks you guys,
I am smilling as I read all of this, Not because they are not good suggestions but I just see in my mind the videos I took of our walk yesterday to send Willie:
I tried and still do the loud, convincing "OUCH" "That Hurts", I musht have been conviencing because a man that walked on the other side of the street asked me "Are you all right?" lol. On these scenarios she lets go, looks at me and starts again....Oh dear!! and the turn my back ends up her jumping on my back or nipp at my butt, the "NO" meaning I don't want to play works if she is not overly excited, the walking away tried that too, and because she knows the sit command I ask her to sit and figure if she sits I have her attention...the redirecting her with a toy works in some situations but not on walks.
As I view the videos over I came to the conclusion that we were may be facing the same thing as we did with the "time off" play time during the walk that got her so excited that she started to chase cars.....and I got thinking that maybe having this tug rope with us on walk gets her wired up.....Willie had suggested the tug rope on walk to redirect her from biting the leash and my hands at times.....but it is getting worst actually. I will go out today before you get to read this, I am 7 hours ahead most of you, and I will not take the rope today and have her walk without offering play time during walking....none. With the leash if I use the "leave it" command she is usualy good with that...I just have to use it often
Yesterday was at its very worst she never acted up as much. I will send the videos to Willie today.....we will see what she says.
Keep them coming...we will find a way that works. I also will give her more play time today in our garden and try to get this excitement out. On my designated play time (I decide when we play and when we stop) she is good during these play time sessions, leave the tug for a treat and concentrate on the toy and game not on me.
will update later
thanks again
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Re: How would you manage, handle a high prey drive pu
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#378419 - 05/25/2013 01:20 AM |
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Back from our first 45 min walk without the tug rope...Well I might be mistaking about the rope or may be yesterday was an exceptional day....but she was quite, sniffing when proposed to potty.....not pulling....siting on stops Gee....Actualy wondering if she is not feeling well lol......
We will continue to report so you get how the migrating went through out the day.
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#378423 - 05/25/2013 06:28 AM |
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Walk #2, no incidents to report.....today seam to have the following equation: no toys (-) excitement = well behaved.
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