Lonny B. wrote 08/13/2001 02:17 PM Training The Blind Search #32114 - 08/13/2001 02:17 PM
Lonny B. Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2001 Posts: 704 Loc: Offline	Hi Everyone, I have a question, can you explain to me how to begin training the blind search? I have not seen that subject in Ed's videos.. if there is a video with this in it, which one? Thank you so much for your help.... Leute mögen Hunde, aber Leute LIEBEN ausgebildete Hunde!
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Pete Felknor wrote 08/13/2001 04:10 PM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32115 - 08/13/2001 04:10 PM
Pete Felknor Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 495 Loc: Deerfield, WI Offline	I'll let some of the more experienced Schutzhund trainers put the finishing touches on this, if they wish--but basically, the dog needs to learn at first that the helper can be in any blind and so the best policy for the dog is to make sure that each blind is searched. You do this, of course, by rotating the blind that the helper is standing in. At the SchH1 level you only need to teach the dog to run around one blind before he hits the "live" blind. But it's still important that the dog learn that he must search the empty blind. A technique I have seen used is to switch back and forth between having both blinds loaded, and only loading the live blind. Eventually the dog will figure out that the exercise will always end in a bite, AS LONG AS he performs it correctly. Obviously you do not give the dog a bite if he blows off the empty blind and goes right to the live one. Pete Felknor
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Yvette Morgan wrote 09/29/2001 07:28 PM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32116 - 09/29/2001 07:28 PM
Yvette Morgan Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2001 Posts: 28 Loc: Offline	Pete, anyone, I've got a question about training for the SchH1 blind search. It's actually on behalf of my friend Sheila. Her dog already has the B and is training for SchH1, and I'm working with her and we've hit a roadblock. Her dog, a 2 yr. old male, is having one heck of time with the blind search. He's got a good bark and hold, loves to engage, outs cleanly, and is looking good so far. But this blind search has us stumped. He just does not want to round that first blind. We've tried swapping where we hide the helper. Not so good. He needs to know that the helper is hiding in the blinds to truly get pumped. He won't just tear off after a blind without seeing a helper there. Once he gets there his bark and hold is excellent and he puts up a good fight, but we've got to get this blind search... Any suggestions? We're stumped. Yvette
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der Schwarz Elfenbein wrote 09/29/2001 11:53 PM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32117 - 09/29/2001 11:53 PM
der Schwarz Elfenbein Webboard User Reg: 08-26-2001 Posts: 7 Loc: Texas Offline	I agree that the blinds should be taught with the helper playing the shell game. It also stands to reason to play this game pairing the blinds, i.e. 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6, Most training sessions take place in blind 6 making it the most interesting blind on the field, if every blind got equal time our dogs should not have a problem running the blinds. While the blind search may be a control exercise, so is the send away and for the send away we will never remove the dogs motivation to go down field until trial day. So our dogs should have some motivation or stimuli coming from the blinds, this will build drive and anticipation which is the foundation for learning. Please respond in kind thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Happy Training der Schwarz Elfenbein
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Renee Felknor wrote 09/30/2001 09:25 AM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32118 - 09/30/2001 09:25 AM
Renee Felknor Webboard User Reg: 07-21-2001 Posts: 264 Loc: WI Offline	Yvette, To teach a dog to round an empty blind put him on a long line and start very close to an empty blind. (For the first couple of times you may have to run the blind with him, while giving him short pops on the line). If he breaks away, catch him with a long line and bring him back into position. Once he rounds the blind on his own, praise him lavishly and give him a send command. If he manages to get away DO NOT let him have a bite. Both you and the helper yell "pfui, platz", the helper throws the sleeve on the ground and walks away in disgust. Then you calmly pick him up and take him off the field for a while, to give him time to think about why he didn't get the bite. As training progresses, slowly increase the distance between the dog and an empty blind.
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Joy Tiz wrote 09/30/2001 07:59 PM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32119 - 09/30/2001 07:59 PM
Joy Tiz Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2001 Posts: 472 Loc: Offline	Renee is right, you must do this initially on a long line. Joy Tiz, MS, JD Donner-Haus Shepherds http://www.donnerhaus.com
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Sue DiCero wrote 10/01/2001 10:07 PM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32120 - 10/01/2001 10:07 PM
Sue DiCero Webboard User Reg: 07-12-2001 Posts: 348 Loc: Nashville, TN and Budapest, Hungary Offline	We taught my male with the long line as well for the 5th blind. For the remainder of the blinds, I used the ball on the rope and would send him, call him hier and stop. Then repeated down the field. Occasionally, used the shell game, but have been lucky with him that I did not have to do it much. In the last month, I have been to other fields due to trials in the region. I have taken my male and run him on the blinds during the down time. Different field and blinds opposite of our set up 1/2 the time. Did a short set up with the 1st two blinds and were set to go. Has worked each time. Now...to get them damn OB... (and yes, I ordered the tape) Sue DiCero http://www.k9imports.com
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Vince P. wrote 10/04/2001 05:04 PM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32121 - 10/04/2001 05:04 PM
Vince P. Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 1050 Loc: NJ Offline	Renee is right on target. The blind run is 100 percent an obedience exercise. If the dog is correct then he gets a bite. If not he does not. Trust me he catches on to this real quick.
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Sue DiCero wrote 10/25/2001 05:47 PM Re: Training The Blind Search [Re: Lonny B. ] #32122 - 10/25/2001 05:47 PM
Sue DiCero Webboard User Reg: 07-12-2001 Posts: 348 Loc: Nashville, TN and Budapest, Hungary Offline	Yvette, Now I get to work on re-training the blind search with my new dog. She tries to blow off running blind 5, so we are going back to the way we trained and then re-trained my 1st dog, but with out the toy righ now ( I would like to keep my hands intact...). Boy, I forgot a bit what fun this is..... Sue DiCero http://www.k9imports.com
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