I am interested in trying a new supplement with my girl. I am looking at grand flex. The horse supplement.
Well. Is anybody on it?
Also, What size should i order?
Thanks!

Here's the result of some research I did here a few years ago:


http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=16242&page=2#155213

To add to that: http://consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/10/facts-about-joint-supplements/index.htm

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

Here's the result of some research I did here a few years ago:


http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=16242&page=2#155213

Thank you. i looked everywhere and couldn't seem to work the search thing.

Click on "advanced search," plug in your search word, and expand the date range. I think the most common problem is nor expanding the date range. (Also, if you happen to know who posted it, filling in the name .... it must be spelled exactly as it appears in his/her posts .... helps a lot to narrow down the search.)

Use ONE word search terms. If you can, choose an unusual word. (You'll never find a specific post by using, say, "dog" as your search term.)

Example, to find my research post, I used FLEXICOSE for my search term (unusual word), plugged in my name because I was looking for my own post, expanded the date range to ten years, and found it very fast.

The better (narrower) you can refine the search, the better the results will be.

I'd check to be certain the ingredients are not made in China. I am not a fan of medications, vitamins or foods from China.

The salient (and tested) ingredients in any of these joint supplements are glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM. These ingredients are pretty widely available in supplements (any walmart, walgreens, etc.). A supplement sold for humans with these ingredients can also be given to your dog. Just compare potency and price, and pick a good value from a vendor you trust.

The point is: glucosamine is glucosamine. You can't OD on it. And the other ingredients and specialty labeling for dogs vs human use are just marketing.

 Quote: Tracy Collins

The salient (and tested) ingredients in any of these joint supplements are glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM. These ingredients are pretty widely available in supplements (any walmart, walgreens, etc.). A supplement sold for humans with these ingredients can also be given to your dog. Just compare potency and price, and pick a good value from a vendor you trust.

The point is: glucosamine is glucosamine. You can't OD on it. And the other ingredients and specialty labeling for dogs vs human use are just marketing.

My vet gives me such trouble with the "not for dogs because its for humans" deal!
In fact the ONLY vet that didn't push this, he MOVED.

I was very concerned about keeping a proper supplement that worked BEST with my dog, and that i can afford.
So trial and error along with the support of knowledgeable people, like you guys, helps.
The supplement i was looking into is Grand flex SENIOR. And it has vitamin C in it...
I have heard that dogs shouldn't overdose on C?
As this grand Flex Supplement is made for horses first. I have my concerns.

"GRAND FLEX SENIOR"
Product Facts • Per 1.5oz. (42.54 g) unit


Joint Support Ingredients
Glucosamine HCL 7,500 mg
Hyaluronic Acid 50 mg
Type II Collagen 167 mg
Depolymerized Chondroitin Sulfate 50 mg
MSM 10,000 mg
Devil’s Claw 1,750 mg
Boswellia 1,000 mg
Yucca 500 mg
Omega 3 & 6 400 mg

Co-Factor Ingredients
Vitamin C 1,000 mg
Vitamin B-3, Niacin 150 mg
Bioflavonoids 100 mg
Lysine 200 mg
Proline 80 mg
Manganese 250 mg
Zinc 200 mg
Copper 50 mg
Diamond V™ Probiotic Yeast 3,000 mg

Any issues with these ingredients and DOGS?

I noticed the ORIGINAL Grand Flex didnt have the supplements that i would like to consider in my dogs daily joint supplement. Not even yucca or MSM or omegas.

Yes! The supplements old vets pushed on me ARE from china! Cheapo cheap grocery store things too!

Dogs (unlike humans) make their own vitamin C. For most healthy dogs, there's no need for supplementing C.

Some studies have shown that dogs under stress can benefit from added C. But it is water soluble--one cannot OD on vitamin C. But too much can cause diarrhea, so the general (if vague) recommendation is to give it to "bowel tolerance."

I can't comment on any of the other ingredients except to note that the amount of Omegas listed is too little to be the only source, IMO. I would still be giving fish oil and vitamin E with this.

If you are concerned about ingredients that are specifically optimized for dogs, why are you considering a horse supplement? I would either find a canine joint formula you trust and use it--or buy the individual supplements and dose them as needed. Then at least you'd know what you were giving and not wondering about other ingredients that are unnecessary or questionable.

 Quote: Tracy Collins

Dogs (unlike humans) make their own vitamin C. For most healthy dogs, there's no need for supplementing C.

Some studies have shown that dogs under stress can benefit from added C. But it is water soluble--one cannot OD on vitamin C. But too much can cause diarrhea, so the general (if vague) recommendation is to give it to "bowel tolerance."

I can't comment on any of the other ingredients except to note that the amount of Omegas listed is too little to be the only source, IMO. I would still be giving fish oil and vitamin E with this.

If you are concerned about ingredients that are specifically optimized for dogs, why are you considering a horse supplement? I would either find a canine joint formula you trust and use it--or buy the individual supplements and dose them as needed. Then at least you'd know what you were giving and not wondering about other ingredients that are unnecessary or questionable.

Thanks for the slab of facts! So vit. C is in!
I'm keeping things open. I have only tried 2 or so supplements... who knows if my dog will do better on another. I wont know if im not keeping my mind open to other options.
Many years back i thought Iams was the best, as my dog was living off it. Keeping my mind open and trying new things helped me help me dogs health big time.

Im going to try an order of the grand flex senior now that the vit. C concern of mine is cleared! Ill leave progress report!

This product is a leerburg rec. product by the way!
Thats why im looking at it!