 Need some help for urinating in the house.
#392795 - 08/03/2014 12:24 AM |
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Hello all, I am posting on my parents behalf. They are having some real difficulties with their most recent dog urinating in the house. He is a 9 month old great dane male. Usually they come to me for dog problems however I too am perplexed.
As for the problem, he is not marking. He literally walks and pees, doesnt slow down, doesnt seem anxious or otherwise look as if he is about to go. He will just go, he will go outside with their supervision and urinate. Then shortly after just start peeing as he walks or plays with their other great dane in the house. He isnt neutered yet, they will be doing that come September. If you guys need more information please let me know asap. As they are really contemplating re-homing him.
Thank you all.
Aric.
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#392796 - 08/03/2014 01:11 AM |
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Have they had him to the vet to check if he has a water infection Aric? Also wondering if he was completely house trained before this started?
I have my son's Dane/Boxer cross for a few days and he usually dribbles when he first comes in from excitement, could this one be a bit anxious about something?
I'm certainly no expert on these things but these are just a few things that come to mind.
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#392798 - 08/03/2014 02:21 AM |
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Yes he was pretty well house trained before this started. He has been to the vet several times over the past few months a UTI was ruled out. I could be wrong however I do not believe its due to nerves, excitement, or anxiety. He doesnt dribble either. Its full on urinating unless he is caught in the act, then he usually stops. For instance yesturday he was brought inside from asupervised potty break. He walked over beside my dad whom was on the computer paying no attention to him, and he stood and peed as if he hadn't gone 5 minutes prior.
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#392799 - 08/03/2014 02:59 AM |
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Well that blows my theories out of the water 
Hopefully someone with experience of this will get back to you soon 
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#392800 - 08/03/2014 05:47 AM |
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I am wondering if they did a full kidney panel on him. This just doesn't seem like a behavior thing.
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#392804 - 08/03/2014 09:59 AM |
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Also, I'd like to know exactly how the UTI was ruled out. Not just "they did tests," but what tests.
How long ago did this start?
Also, does he dribble in bed? (Is there an ammonia odor there,even if it seems dry?)
How does the skin around the penis look? Normal or red and scalded?
Did this start after an infection of any kind, or maybe a fall or other accident?
Another thought: did the vet check for a partial bladder obstruction, like stones, or some kind of narrowing (stricture)?
Is he drinking abnormal amounts of water?
Have you actually observed the indoor urinating, and you know it's not submissive or excited or stress peeing? And to you it appears non-deliberate, right? No leg-cocking or squatting ... just standing and suddenly peeing?
(I'm asking about possible signs of bladder-obstruction incontinence, neurogenic incontinence, etc. I think it would be unusual for a young intact male to have hormone incontinence, but Dr. Betty would know much better. I'm not a health professional.)
Also see: http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/dog-care/urinary-incontinence
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#392807 - 08/03/2014 11:36 AM |
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He is a nine-month-old rescue and....
Yes he was pretty well house trained before this started. He has been to the vet several times over the past few months a UTI was ruled out.
Other posters have already asked some very pertinent questions, but in addition, I think it would be helpful to know some timeline information:
(1) How old was the dog when your parents got him? Or, in other words, how long has he been with them?
(2) What exactly do you mean by "pretty well house trained"? At any point in time since they've had him, has he gone at least a week or two with no urination in the house?
(3) If he was truly house trained for any significant length of time, at what point did this spontaneous urination start occurring? Does the problem come and go, or is it pretty much every day?
I don't suppose there was any previous health or behavior history that came with this dog that might shed some light?
I also agree with the above posters in that I would want to know what exactly their vet did in multiple visits to rule out a UTI or discover some other cause for the spontaneous urination.
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#392808 - 08/03/2014 11:39 AM |
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Do you think having him wear a belly band in the house might at least keep things more manageable while they figure out why he's peeing? At 9 months old he might still fit the bands sold in the big box stores.
If they "re-home" this dog with a peeing issue the odds are that he will eventually be PTS. Housetraining issues is one of the biggest reasons that dogs end up in high kill rate shelters and Alberta is way too cold to have a Dane be an outside dog.
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#392809 - 08/03/2014 11:46 AM |
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I knew a dachshund who had a similar problem. Walking while peeing. Peeing at random, even after just peeing outdoors. No stand and set up to pee, neither lifting leg nor squatting. The dog could be just standing in the kitchen gazing at the owner while a meal was being prepared, and urine would begin flowing.
Months of training by a dedicated dog person who really wanted to help and had experience training/retraining for housebreaking had 0 impact. Castration had 0 impact.
We determined this was a spinal problem. The dog had kind of a "funny" back end.
Because this dog was a rescue, there weren't funds to work it up. The dog was put to sleep.
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#392810 - 08/03/2014 11:58 AM |
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Betty, is neurogenic incontinence common among incontinence issues/causes?
Neurogenic incontinence is what I was getting at when I asked "Did this start after an infection of any kind, or maybe a fall or other accident?" (Apparently the dog hasn't been like this all along.) But I've read very little about it.
A cystometrogram can confirm it, I've read, if needed after a neuro consult.
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