the detail I guess at least in that clip is roughly equal amount of time any pup is in a "bottom" position. and the constant break offs from the engagement and swapping chaser/chase - the signals I was hoping people would see. maybe not the best vid.
as far as too doggy going I read a lot about litter-mate syndrome etc and was very concerned, honestly say it is not a problem in this case. as far as doggy goes I think that is context based, I know the theory about you are the centre of the dog's universe and al good things come thru you etc, I don't like that idea one bit. maybe important if you use your dog as a vehicle to get to the nationals or something then it is prolly a valid point, any other case I think it is way overstated.
in some cases you want the dogs to look for and to each other first.
disclaimer: "you" in the above is a universal you , not you Bob Scott.
the detail I guess at least in that clip is roughly equal amount of time any pup is in a "bottom" position. and the constant break offs from the engagement and swapping chaser/chase - the signals I was hoping people would see. maybe not the best vid.
I watched the clip all the way through and saw the same things. Frequent pauses where the dogs would seem to say, "Okay, I chased you, now you chase me!" Both of them happily going back for more.
This is the way my two dogs have always played, though not with that intensity or for that length of time anymore. They're both middle-aged now. On the rare occasions when one gets too rough for the other one's liking, there are clear signals: a change in the tone of the barking/growling, raising of hackles, etc. That's when I will end the session if they don't do it themselves.
It seems to me that most high-drive and/or high-energy breeds will play like this. I guess I can see where it would be surprising to the uninitiated, though.
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IME, I don't see a problem as long as it doesn't become a fixation on each other. If either can voluntarily break it off without further badgering, it may be okay. I've seen fixation turn into constant bickering as packmates age. Also be mindful that one getting hurt, however unintentional it may be, could result in a real bite.
In the middle of the video, I see a lot of teeth flashing. I'd pbly encourage less mouthing and nipping during the play.
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To my eye, the dogs in the clip are playing appropriately in that context.
But "too rough" is, I think, up to the human to decide and not the dogs.
I don't allows dogs to play that roughly because they live in my house. That, and I have a pack of dogs that are greatly mismatched in size. They have other outlets for that energy.
There are a lot of "normal" dog behaviors that I don't allow. But I pay the mortgage, the vet bills, and the food bill, so I get to decide.
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