Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008
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Had the perp not been apprehended 10 feet inside the fence, you might have a point. But he was, so you don't.
From where I sit, it looks like it worked exactly the way it was supposed to. This isn't a sport. Nobody's getting points for style. Based on results, I'd call it a success.
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I read a rather good analysis from a professional protection trainer that the dog was called off after being stunned rather than running away. Given that he's a professional trainer, I'll probably give his opinion a little more weight than a hobbyist.
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003
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Quote: Kristin Muntz
I read a rather good analysis from a professional protection trainer that the dog was called off after being stunned rather than running away. Given that he's a professional trainer, I'll probably give his opinion a little more weight than a hobbyist.
This is a double edged sword. On the one hand the SS have policy and procedure to deal with such things. On the other...It's called a K9 TEAM for a reason. What did this dog learn from this incident? Nothing good I can tell you that. Now, one can speculate that this was the dogs first real apprehension and we all know how that turns out in the real world lots of times. I just hate to see the dog lose on his very first one. If it was a seasoned dog then that's another whole kettle of fish. I'd lean towards the former though. Many times a dog won't recover from such an incident if they are inexperienced. JMO of course.
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I have to admit that in my reading on the prior incident, when the k9 was NOT used because they (reportedly) suspected he might engage one of the SS agents instead of the suspect (was his normal decoy working the same shift as his handler? Wonder what lead them to believe that) my thoughts were that a k9 that was known to be unreliable shouldn't have been on shift there anyways.
In your experience, would you have simply deployed both K-9s in this situation?
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011
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I don't know firsthand what happened. Only saw the video. Can't speak for the dog who disengaged. However, many people seem to think that the second dog was weak because the guy fought him. I know of perps that take multple gunshots and continue to resist. Apprehending a perp with a dog doesn't mean you cut the dog loose and it brings the guy back gift-wrapped. IT'S A FIGHT!
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Quote: Kristin Muntz
I have to admit that in my reading on the prior incident, when the k9 was NOT used because they (reportedly) suspected he might engage one of the SS agents instead of the suspect (was his normal decoy working the same shift as his handler? Wonder what lead them to believe that) my thoughts were that a k9 that was known to be unreliable shouldn't have been on shift there anyways.
In your experience, would you have simply deployed both K-9s in this situation?
If that is a concern then they need to adjust their training. Once the dog has missile lock on the target then a known co-worker (officer or K9) should be just another part of the pack taking care of business. We constantly train with other officers hands on the decoy within inches of our biting dogs to aclimate them to what can really happen. No accidental or redirected bite yet.
Although we do train multiple dog deployments on a single target, the chances of ever doing that are almost nil. It can also be construed as excessive force in the wrong circumstances.
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