Daniel.P.Hughes Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2010
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I get my new pup this Wed. Since I don't ultimately know how that system would go in order (by age). The pup is 8 wks.
I was thinking at a minimum I would get the LEASH video for loose leash walking and more and the training with food. Then I would get training with tug next.
My other idea was getting the two DVD training with food and tug first. Then get the leash a few weeks later.
I am looking at adding a video each month maybe two.
Is that a good order(based on age of pup) and what would you recommend next(again based on age and good progression)?
I am not to interested in the 8wk to 8 month though.
videos I would like to add:
recall
advanced motivation
finishing work
focused healing
training jumps
possibly foundation of puppy bitework
these can be done in parallel to varying degrees and depending on pup's drives.
if I recall the jumps vid was mainly mature dogs. personally I would do zero jumps with pups and susan garret type stuff is prolly better for pups.
you will CAUSE joint injuries later on by doing jumps to early, as a general rule jumps should be below knee height of the young dog.
the key for jumping is drive for the jumps which can be done with the jump laying right on the ground.
note agility jumping is very different from the jumps in bite sport, agility the dogs is full speed over low jumps and quick turns after jumps with in a few strides often.
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may I ask why you excluded the LEASH video? And if you were going to put it in where would you fit it. My impression of the trailer is that it has the biggest section devoted to loose leash walking (out of all of Michael's dvd).
We will be hiking and backpacking and walks through the neighborhood, and when she is older biking and I don't think a focused heel should be used for that. SO I am looking for dvd that would cover that.
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Honestly I wasn't real impressed with the leash skills video. The short section on leash pressure in the heeling video was enough for me to get the idea. It's not work that's done with a small puppy anyway. I would get the heeling dvd before the leash one. Muscle memory heeling work can be started with your young pup.
The food video is the foundation of everything else. Absolutely the first video. Several other things can be started at the same time.
ME mostly relies on engagement and food to keep puppy close while on leash.
Both the Leerbug and the Ellis food/marker training videos are great. I think they compliment one another.
One of my personal favorites int the "Finishing Work" by Ellis.
It's a great one for getting down to the nitty gritty on giving a lot of reasons on why and how of just about all phases of training.
I think the Agility jumping can be a big help because they teach touch contact.
To many Schutzhund/IPO dogs just launch off the top of he a-frame and that can be a big cause of front end injuries in the dog.
If they learn a use contact it would eliminate that possibility greatly.
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thanks everyone for the help.
This is a fun adventure. I started training dogs in the mid 90's as a teenager and basically grew up using the Koehler method of "jerk and yank". So I have a good amount of years with dogs but the systems here are new to me. The marker/food/tug is all new so I am learning with my dog. For a while I just raised dogs that behaved and had good manners but this time around I want to do a lot more with her so I am filling up my dvd and book library.
I started with Koehler back in the late 50s early 60s.
Started with marker work about 11-12 yrs ago.
I'll never go totally back but there can be a good balance with both marker work and correction training and Ellis shows all that.
Teach the dog with markers and the corrections if/when needed will be much lighter.
The corrections are used ONLY once the dog understands what is expected and refuses to do that.
KOEHLER corrects the dog into place way before the dog understands what the command even means. Basic avoidance training!
Corrections will always be an option but if they get a reward for doing as you wish then why would they refuse?
may have missed it, what is the end point goal again.
if the leash question was for me then cathy already answered it.
you can use the focussed heal without having to go to the extremes as the comp obed crowd, just decide what final picture you want and mark that ie may be a dog relaxed by your side and attentive without the intense focus and vertical neck, which is completely unpractical and unsustainable in the real world anyway.
I never walk my dogs in public without a leash, 1. because I think it is disgusting and 2. it is illegal.
but consider this logic; if you have proofed an awesome recall and can do a focussed heal, what purpose is a leash really other than a extra safety device like a mountain climber would wear.
btw an extreme focus heel can be useful getting from point A to point B in a hurry thru a big crowd.
out hiking my dogs "heal" in a 2-4m radius around me.
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