Hello guys, in need of some advise on how to train the stand.

Can't help you -- mine doesn't know that one--at least not well enough to talk about.

I used markers with my younger dog and captured the behavior.

If your dog understands markers well then mark and reward when the dog is in the stand position.

If your going from a sit or a down you can also take the reward and move it down and towards the dogs chest. NOT down to the ground.

That will make him move back onto his feet.


Mark and reward!

Thank you Bob! Just to understand when we are walking around and he is in the stand position I would say stand mark and reward? The way I have been attempting to teach it is from a sit h. I would have the reward and move it right underneath his neck. He started out great and kicking his legs back out but then after a while he would just down or scrunch up.
Not sure if putting down any further will do the same thing but I'll try it this afternoon.

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Thank you Bob! Just to understand when we are walking around and he is in the stand position I would say stand mark and reward? The way I have been attempting to teach it is from a sit h. I would have the reward and move it right underneath his neck. He started out great and kicking his legs back out but then after a while he would just down or scrunch up.
Not sure if putting down any further will do the same thing but I'll try it this afternoon.

I did a combo of capturing, shaping and luring - I will see if I can articulate how I taught it, otherwise, maybe I will do a little video.

Luring: I have the dog in a sit perpendicular to me, so I am facing the dogs side. Food in the hand closest to the dogs head, let the dog nibble so he is held in his sit. Make sure the tip of this nose is level with his shoulder blade (too high the dog will hold the sit, too low the dog will go into a down). Gently tickle their tummy, or knee, maybe even a little poke with your non-food hand. As soon as they kick those back legs out, I say "Stand" and release the food.

Shaping: stand in an area big enough to throw food for your dog to get. Throw a piece of food away from you tell your dog to go get it. When they come back try to catch them standing and looking at you BEFORE they sit. Mark and reward, repeat. I have sometimes shown dogs 3-4 times what is expected by holding my food at their eye level and "catching" them with it as they come back. Then moved to shaping and letting them try to figure out the behaviors that earn rewards. Just be sure to reward even if the dog stands completely by mistake (ie gets distracted and maybe gets up to leave).

Capturing: Like Bob said, see them standing, say "stand", mark, reward

Once my dog can reliably do a kickstand in front of me, I move to a wall and practice doing it beside me.

No clue if my way is the "right" way, but it's worked for me lol

Thank you guys!Bob I did try it again today and he kicked his legs back very low to the ground. I did play around a little bit and did it right underneath his neck, and the upper part of his chest the Ladee proved to give me the kick back anything else was a full down or he curled up to the ground.

Niomi: if you could send a video that would be amazing! I did have him sit and tickle his side and even poked him but he would budge from sitting I'll try it again though.

Would any of you guys reward the kick back that he was doing or would it be too low of a position to reward and build a stand on ?

Spacial pressure. The dog will follow the food in your hand. When down or sit, put pressure toward the dogs face like you are going to push him back and he will have to stand. Can't be sitting and move back, Can't be down and move back. Perhaps practice the spacial pressure while he is standing and make him move backwards.

I would definitely mark the kickback.

Look at it as a foundation just like when back chaining the retrieve.

You mark and reward the dog when it just touches the retrieve article.

Build off the kickback as you would the nose touch.


"Ladee proved to give me the kick back anything else was a full down or he curled up to the ground".



Sounds like a very sensitive dog.

I agree with the above suggestion but be careful that pressure isn't to much for the dog.

One of my GSDs has to be hands off training because he's very handler sensitive.

At 8+yrs old I can still crush him with a heavy voice.

Keep him happy and he's fantastic.

Hey Jeffrey, I also trained the stand through luring.

But I also found another way. I was studying Michael Ellis leash pressure video, and I used that to get a good stand in "heel" position. She was so sensitive to the slightest pressure, she popped up very quickly. So I trained the command right away, I mean i put a voice command on it.

That was preliminary to the "back" command.



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