I need help your with my canine project.
#400501 - 03/27/2016 03:38 PM |
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Hello Everyone!
I am currently training a 14 month old Dutch Shepherd (Django) as a Duel Purpose Patrol & Narcotics canine. I got the dog from another person who couldn't continue his training due to health issues. Basically, my employer paid $10,500 for the dog and his narcotics training. I am repaying $5,000 out of my own pocket for him, and will be using him at work each day as my partner keeping our clients safe each night.
Also, upon training, I intend to use in our local communities free of charge to help combat Narcotics and track those who are missing. I am doing this free of charge to give back, and make our community a safer place for all who enjoy it. I also intend to do local demonstrations to raise awareness about working dogs.
That being said, I am trying to raise money for the additional training, supplies, transportation with vehicle insert, and other items required for this project. I don't make much doing what I do, but I love to help others. Now, I am asking for the dog communities help. I am asking you all to visit my go fund me page at the link below, and help anyway you can. No donation is to small. You can also contact me directly in order to inquire on helping.
Lastly, thank you all for your help and support - I appreciate it!
~ Brian ~
Here's the link:
https://www.gofundme.com/4kvmduvg
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400510 - 03/27/2016 11:38 PM |
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This sound like you want someone to fund your company owned dog for the purpose of "keeping your clients safe"???
Just a bit to hokey for me!
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400511 - 03/28/2016 12:04 AM |
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Looks like a lot of wishful thinking to me. Stick a crate in the car and call it good. You don't need a vehicle insert. Why should the public fund your employers dog?
Exactly how far in training was this dog? $10,500 should have been finished in narcotics at least or close to it. Having a few months worth of volunteer work with the dog will make you look a bit more legit.
Have you ever done S&R work before? Member of any teams? Helped out with training?
How far along in protection training was this dog? Was it trained in a way that won't conflict with S&R training?
You should have something more concrete than good intentions before asking for money IMO.
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400512 - 03/28/2016 12:04 AM |
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He was originally purchased by the company for use by one of the owners. They imported the dog and paid for the narcotics training. His patrol training has not yet been paid for. He (the company owner) then had some health concerns come up, forcing him to address those concerns and step back from working the canine.
Therefore, I am purchasing the dog, and paying for him and the rest of his training out of pocket. He will be my own working dog. I will be useing him for work, and also to give back to the community I volunteer in. There is nothing "hokey" about it.
Thank you.
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400513 - 03/28/2016 05:44 AM |
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Welcome to the world of volunteering with a dog! I've been involved with SAR for several years now and, like most volunteer work, it's self funded. Rewarding, but most everyone uses their own money/vacation time/free time when doing this. The best source of donations is the local community that you will be benefiting but even then, until there is a track record of service/success, people tend to give donations to other worthy causes. Perhaps a bake sale or car wash fundraiser would help with local donations?
It does seem a bit weird that the company owner is making you buy the dog when it will still be used by the business. If he continues to pay for it, it's a business expense and tax write off. And then it seems a bit weird asking for donations for training a dog so that it benefits a business (patrol training).
I too, would encourage you to look into cheaper crating options. I know that you can get top of the line crates for around 1k. They're not the police k9 inserts but 98% of SAR folks are using something much less than those and they work just fine. I mean, you can get custom crates or commercially available crash tested ones in the 1k price range. My own dogs ride in Ruff Tough Kennels but there are several secure, commercially available options.
FWIW, a lot of SAR teams will not want the liability of a patrol trained dog. Have you asked the local team that you plan to volunteer with about that yet?
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400521 - 03/29/2016 02:29 PM |
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I find it highly unusual that the responsibility for training your dog in the detection of narcotics would fall on you or whoever in the company purchased the dog. The facility we got our Mal from in Ohio provides narcotic detection, explosive detection, and personal protection training with the purchase price of the dog, which isn't cheap. At the end of their training, they then work with the buyers for several more weeks just to provide handler training and help with the initial interface with the dog.
With all the internet scams out there, I find it hard to believe this is legitimate, especially since you are so new to this forum. If a company truly wanted this capability, I would think they would fully fund it with all the things they need prior to getting a fully trained dog from a credible, reputable source. Sounds like they are trying to do this on the cheap and then get the public to cover for their shortfalls in planning, if this is legitimate.
I'm sorry if I'm being offensive. Just got one of my credit cards compromised so I'm cranky about scam artists. I'm sure you're just trying to do the right thing.
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400531 - 04/01/2016 06:35 PM |
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What business will Django be employed by?
How is narcotics detection relevant to community service? By what authority are you able to conduct a search or detain a suspect?
If the stated goal is, "keeping our clients safe", what services are the clients paying for, and why is the expense not part of the cost of the business?
On your page, you say "Once nationally (gr) certification is compleate (sp)". Exactly which certification would that be?
IMHO, your page and your plea are way too vague, and I can see why people who are experienced with working dogs would be leery. As evidenced by the lack of response that you have gotten in seven days, you might need to rethink your approach. If you want to appear credible, you might also ask someone to proofread it for grammar and spelling.
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400540 - 04/03/2016 10:41 PM |
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He changed the text and Django is now a "private public safety K-9".
We need an eye roll smiley.
I would be very interested in knowing who this guys employer is and what department he belonged to as a LEO.
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Re: I need help your with my canine project.
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#400542 - 04/03/2016 11:03 PM |
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I think any Joe citizen that does searches most anywhere will create a legal mess if they aren't called to do so buy a legit organization such as the local police, Hwy Patrol, FBI, etc.
The SAR team I was on NEVER went on a search if it wasn't called out by the above mentioned organizations.
On the searches we did go on I couldn't tell you all the "home grown" teams that showed up ahead of us and totally screwed up the search areas because many of the smaller PDs didn't understand what it took to have a certified team to be able to call.
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#400545 - 04/04/2016 12:17 AM |
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I will also add that a handler has to have State and Federal permits to handle drugs and explosives.
An individual can't just go out and by illegal drugs/explosives to train a dog.
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