Let's assume a puppy has the genetics to be a PPD. What are the things you wouldn't want to do to screw him up to the point that he'll never be able to become a PPD?

PS: the odds are very low that I would train my puppy as if he would do PPD training when he got to be older. But I am making connections with PPD trainers so who knows? I really don't need a PPD as I can carry a conceled weapon here in Maine and as long as my dog gives me three seconds at home to get a gun in case someone did try to invade my personal space (we're having big problems here with opiate addicted people doing home invasions) to take care of business. But I do worry about the Mrs. who can't really count on being able under stress to be able to defend herself with a firearm when I'm in the woods for days at a time especially seeing how we live in a remote area. But I am interested in IPO and Mondioring, etc..

As a hunter and trapper of Wolves when I lived in Alaska and Coyotes here in Maine I do have an interest in Canine behavior. Having said that I'm intensely curious also about working dogs like GSD's (especially DDR GSD's) and Malinois who have the right stuff that they were originally bred to do. It's a shame how many GSD's has devolved from itheir original purpose!

 Quote: Albert Glossian

Let's assume a puppy has the genetics to be a PPD. What are the things you wouldn't want to do to screw him up to the point that he'll never be able to become a PPD?

Hi, Albert,

Until the PPD folks chime in, I thought you might want to read some PPD Q&A written by an expert (Will Rambeau).

I happen to have posted a partial list of links to someone else some time ago, so I can easily replicate it here:

http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=26417&page=1

http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=26416#279074

http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=26415#279071

http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=128#1399

http://leerburg.com/webboard/topiclist.php?forum_id=1 (This last one is just the section on PPD and puppies.)

Thanks Connie for the links. I been reading the different posts here and from what I read I saw that Mr. Rambeau had a lot of great stuff to say in his posts that was spot on, so I went and found his info about him page so I clicked on a history of his posts and got to read a few last night. It seems that one of the most important things about a PPD is self confidence. So I'm really curious how obedience training for a PPD prospect can affect their self confidence. One of the things I forgot to mention in my second post is how the advanced training for a PPD is different than for a sport dog doing IPO etc..

Thanks Connie for the links. I been reading the different posts here and from what I read I saw that Mr. Rambeau had a lot of great stuff to say in his posts that was spot on, so I went and found his info about him page so I clicked on a history of his posts and got to read a few last night. It seems that one of the most important things about a PPD is self confidence. So I'm really curious how obedience training for a PPD prospect can affect their self confidence. One of the things I forgot to mention in my second post is how the advanced training for a PPD is different than for a sport dog doing IPO etc..

Sorry for the double post. I had just spent a half hr doing a detailed post and when I hit submit it posted this old post again. Bummer!

 Quote: Albert Glossian

Thanks Connie for the links. I been reading the different posts here and from what I read I saw that Mr. Rambeau had a lot of great stuff to say in his posts that was spot on, so I went and found his info about him page so I clicked on a history of his posts and got to read a few last night. It seems that one of the most important things about a PPD is self confidence. So I'm really curious how obedience training for a PPD prospect can affect their self confidence. One of the things I forgot to mention in my second post is how the advanced training for a PPD is different than for a sport dog doing IPO etc..

As far as I'm concerned anything Will Rambeau says about PPD is gospel.

To many wannabys out there that think it's just a matter of "beat em till they bite" training for PPD.

SOOO many things can go wrong with that philosophy.

I've mentioned in other of your posts that good marker training is a wonderful foundation for ANYTHING you do with your dogs.

IF I were you I would concentrate on that foundation.

If your dog has the right stuff it will still be there a year from now and you'll have a dog that can be exceptionally responsive to whatever direction you take with additional training.

I used markers for Schutzhund tracking, obedience and protection work, AKC Obedience competition, herding, SAR, his ATTA TT title and his CGC certificate.

For all the yrs I've trained dogs I got into markers about 13 yrs ago and I'll never look back.

If the dog requires more then that later on then so be it but you WILL NOT find a better training for a great foundation in any form of dog training.

Yes, the "ADVANCED TRAINING" in PPD is different then IPO but your far from ready to do any advanced training.

Get serious about a foundation with markers. What it can do for a dog's confidence will amaze you.

It works.....honest!

 Quote: Bob Scott

 Quote: Albert Glossian

Thanks Connie for the links. I been reading the different posts here and from what I read I saw that Mr. Rambeau had a lot of great stuff to say in his posts that was spot on, so I went and found his info about him page so I clicked on a history of his posts and got to read a few last night. It seems that one of the most important things about a PPD is self confidence. So I'm really curious how obedience training for a PPD prospect can affect their self confidence. One of the things I forgot to mention in my second post is how the advanced training for a PPD is different than for a sport dog doing IPO etc..

As far as I'm concerned anything Will Rambeau says about PPD is gospel.

To many wannabys out there that think it's just a matter of "beat em till they bite" training for PPD.

SOOO many things can go wrong with that philosophy.

I've mentioned in other of your posts that good marker training is a wonderful foundation for ANYTHING you do with your dogs.

IF I were you I would concentrate on that foundation.

If your dog has the right stuff it will still be there a year from now and you'll have a dog that can be exceptionally responsive to whatever direction you take with additional training.

I used markers for Schutzhund tracking, obedience and protection work, AKC Obedience competition, herding, SAR, his ATTA TT title and his CGC certificate.

For all the yrs I've trained dogs I got into markers about 13 yrs ago and I'll never look back.

If the dog requires more then that later on then so be it but you WILL NOT find a better training for a great foundation in any form of dog training.

Yes, the "ADVANCED TRAINING" in PPD is different then IPO but your far from ready to do any advanced training.

Get serious about a foundation with markers. What it can do for a dog's confidence will amaze you.

It works.....honest!

EVERYTHING that Bob has been Repeatedly Emphasizing above & in other threads you've started here, AG

(But that said, I'm on the side of the Wolves & Coyotes, so you may need a PPD if Ivisit you in Maine, LOL.)

I'm already doing marker training! I've charged the mark and Xeus knows he's getting a reward! But I've always used a lot of praise with my previous dogs and I find myself using "Good Boy" a lot. I may change my mark to that?

My question was how NOT to screw up a possible future PPD puppy. Like how NOT to do anything to hurt his self confidence. I also asked about how the training of a PPD (when they are mature enough) differed from a sport dog,
i.e. IPO, etc.. I know that Mr. Ellis said that the bite work for a puppy was the same as for a sport dog. I also know Mr. Bob answered my question about the difference between raising a working dog vs a pet.

As a traditional Native American I have respect for all animals especially Wolves and Coyotes because they hunt like human beings and also how smart they are. I also know how important they are to the Eco system. But when these Canines become over populated and kill so many Deer and Moose that Native family's can't get the meat they need to get through the Winter then the Wolves and Coyotes need to be culled. I also needed money for food, etc.. so I also used to trap Canines. I do not enjoy hunting (including men!) and trapping any animal but I also have to eat. As a matter of fact every animal I ever killed I bless with my Eagle feather and smudge with Sweet grass, sage, and tobacco to protect them on there journey to the Creator. I also thank the animal for providing me with sustenance!

I also believe that a PPD can be trained to be friendly to people, kids, etc. because many LEO's bring their K9 partners home at night, and also give demo's at schools etc.. Everybody has different threat levels they face so I have the right to address in whatever way I want the possible threats to my family. Plus no matter whatever work Xeus is capable of doing along with enjoying I will be adding some PPD things like food refusal from a stranger. YMMV

Thanks Connie for the links. The night before you posted those links to Mr. Rambeau's posts I had already gone to Mr. Rambeaus's page here hoping there was a list of his previous posts about PPD's which I found. So I had read the first there posts you gave me links to. Woliwon (thanks in Penobscot).